5 ton dump dilemma - Title/CDL - Steel Soldiers::Military Vehicles Supersite

akexc · 12-07-2008, 21:55

So it looks like I may have outsmarted myself. I may have not done enough research prior to purchasing an M51A2 recently.

From what I saw here, it looked like I did not need a CDL in KS. However, I think I was seeing threads for M35s. KS appears to require a CDL for anything with a GVWR over 26K.

Not a huge issue by itself, however, it appears I also need to re-title this in 30 days. State's penalty to do so seems to be small if I read it right. Not sure about the county yet.

So I can't title it till I can drive it to the inspection station. I can't drive it there without a CDL, and I'll need to drive it for the test for my CDL. Classic Catch-22.

It looks to me like I'm going to have to find another vehicle that is currently legal in KS to use for the CDL test, and I'm going to have to find someone who has a CDL to get it and me there so I can do that. Then I'll be able to drive mine in for the inspection. And technically, I only have 18 days left to get this done.

So if there is someone from KS who has been through this who can tell me I'm right or wrong, I'd sure appreciate it.

Thanks.

ida34 · 12-07-2008, 22:02

Look further. I am willing to bet you do not need a CDL unless you are using the truck to make money. If you have a link to the law post it.

akexc · 12-07-2008, 22:21

From this site:

http://www.ksrevenue.org/pdf/cdlsec1.pdf

"You must have a CDL to operate:
Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight
rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.
A trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds
if the gross combination weight rating (GCWR) is
26,001 pounds or more."

I can find no exception anywhere for non-commercial usage. I did find another related site that is not an official KS site that specifies that KS requires anyone driving an RV over the weight limit must have a CDL.

I'd love to find a KS resident that can tell me I'm wrong.

hole · 12-07-2008, 23:34

That sounds awefully similar to the leftist wording here in Cali. I sure hope you can find a loophole

FreightTrain · 12-08-2008, 03:20

Too bad you don't live in bama.I can drive a 2009 Peterbilt 389 with a 53foot van without a CDL if I wanted to legally....All cause the following exception....

Individuals ....operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non business purposes.

This is how I am gonna get around driving a 34,000lbs M543A2 here in bama on a standard drivers license.......I am gonna have to lie to get a tag though since our vintage vehicles only go up to 26,000lbs unless it is a fire truck.

FreightTrain · 12-08-2008, 03:22

Does a M51A2 have a Curb weight of less than 26,001Lbs?If so then you are exempt if you register it as a historic/Vintage/Antique vehicle.Normally if they are registered like that then you cannot haul anything period....so GVW by law would be the actual curb weight of the vehicle with full load a fuel and 2 passengers.

Remember,am a dirt track racer.My job it to skate around the rules through grey areas and loopholes.

FreightTrain · 12-08-2008, 03:27

From what I just found in a search,Curb weight is actually just short of 22,000lbs so I will say your safe and even can carry just over 2 tons in the bed.

desertfox · 12-08-2008, 12:08

akexe,
Yes, the curb weight is less than the GVW of 26000# plus. My local DMV gal worked with me on my M51A2 therefore got a tag under the 26000# threshold. Even tho I hold a CDL she was able to reduce the cost of the tag considerably.

akexc · 12-08-2008, 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertfox

akexe,
Yes, the curb weight is less than the GVW of 26000# plus. My local DMV gal worked with me on my M51A2 therefore got a tag under the 26000# threshold. Even tho I hold a CDL she was able to reduce the cost of the tag considerably.

I don't think that will work in Kansas. Everything I read says gross vehicle weight, not curb. In that case, we're talking 42000 lbs for an M51A2.

I've talked with a couple of HP officers today. While it appears I do not need a CDL, I will need a class "B" endorsement on my regular license. DMV is not open today, but I believe that means essentially the same thing to me. I will need to take this truck in for a driving test to get that endorsement.

Back to the Catch-22.

powerhouseduece · 12-08-2008, 16:50

Wow and I thought Maryland sucked! I had a 88' F350 regular cab 4wd, and on my title It said GVW 10000lbs. that made my insurence go up. I went to go get some top soil and they filled the bed as much as possible and the scale said 8750lbs. now when I tagged my deuce as historic on my title it says N/A for the gvw. You cant get it tagged historic?