Yesterday, I was approached by a guy who may be a big help in our quest for better/cheaper fuel alternatives. Not only is he an MV nut, but he is a chemist that specializes in fuel/oil additives. He is interested in our cause and wants to help. Here is his website: bndautomotive.com. Tell me what you guys think. He is local.
Well, let's see...
Starting with the additives for both gas and diesel engines,
Statements made that when you look back again are worded so that you can not actually challenge the statement.
The factual nature of some of the items presented so as to sound like facts are off the wall.
The factual nature of some of the items presented as fact are off the wall.
The claims regarding the performance of the product rival some of the farthest fetched claims I've heard regarding miracles in a bottle.
Then there's the other products...
Every product on there uses snake oil salesman phrases to sell it. "Exceeds requirements of...". Yeah, sure. Which ones. Not all of them, otherwise it would be approved. Period.
The coolant they offer and list a whole slew of specifications for... It did not satisfy a single one of those.
The power steering miracle they offer... They're chasing "inherent problems that are present in today's power assisted rack and pinion steering systems, but they don't specify what that is. They pretty much outlast the cars these days, failures can be traced back to something actually happening to them. They don't "wear out". what's to improve upon?
Selling engine oil based on a pressure gauge reading? Of course the pressure is up, you've got too thick of an oil in the engine and it's all stuck between the pump and the filter, where your pressure gauge happens to be... Instead of valid facts, tests, or information, they are perpetuating myths based on old and inaccurate information that sticks well with people who have absolutely no understanding of now an oiling system works within an engine, and then using said myth as the selling point. If they had something good to sell, they'd be selling it.
A quick look for the MSDS for the diesel shmutz shows that they keep a TIGHT lid on that... Great for trade secrets, but look up ANY other additive you can think of. The only ones that hide what's in them are ones that contain shmutz that while federally approved as an additive, are detrimental to your engine, while the products that can actually help you clean up a mess... Their MSDS does not take advantage of the trade secret rules. If they've got stuff you want in them, they advertise it that way. Alcohol in a diesel fuel additive is an example.
This product is an emulsifier according to the company themselves, which means in essence instead of protecting your fuel injection components from water, it forces it through. Bad news for wear and scoring on the fuel lubricated parts of the IP, and bad news for exploding injector tips, because even emulsified water boils when the injector opens, and it relies on liquid to cushion the collision when the spring closes it.
Bottom line, local or not he's got nothing that you want, this is snake oil at it's worst, and I'm very sure that the guy does "want to help"...
Interesting. I managed to leave out a couple facts deliberately because i wanted to hear what people had to say about the website. I appreciate the response, but I am curious to know your experience to refute this guys claim. I am weighing both sides here.
'For two years a leading Chinese University conducted an independent fuel test on every product in the fuel additive/catalyst industry. As a result it was shown that ACES products scored FIVE times higher on fuel savings and FIVE times higher on emission reductions than any other product tested.'
I haven't found anything on the 'Net that is an overwhelming positive blessing of this company's offerings. Where is their evidence of 'product superiority' posted, other than patting their self on the back for their products? If I call their recommended 'testimonial' contacts, am I speaking with a shill for the company that is getting paid in cash or product for his/her endorsements?
FWIW - I don't recommend any additives of any kind on any engine. Standard fluids and change intervals recommended by the equipment manufacturers only...
'Tanner'
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I'm more curious about the diesel additives. not concerned about the oil additives. Don't work for the company or with the company for any endorsement. I'm sure you can see any of previous posts never mentioned anything about this stuff. I was hoping to hear some reactions by people who do more than just dump diesel kleen or mess around with oil/diesel mixes.
Will he send you copies of independent lab test results?
What manufacturers have approved the products for use in specific engines?
What test standards do they meet, (ATSM, ASME, SAE, etc.)
...I was hoping to hear some reactions by people who do more than just dump diesel kleen or mess around with oil/diesel mixes.
OK, who would you like to hear from then? If you want unsupported, undocumented testimonials (<-- look up the implications of that as it applies to advertising), then you already have that. They've provided it for you. If you want to consider the product based on it's merits, then a rational look at the advertising will tell you a whole lot.
They're making off the wall claims. They are claiming that their product contains five million, eight hundred thousand BTUs per gallon? Got a match? They're claiming that they can burn water for added energy content. Have we repealed the law that says energy can neither be created nor destroyed? It's an emulsifier. Have we figured out a way yet for emulsified water to adequately cusion the injector closing event without damaging the tip? Something in your fuel tank is improving your volumetric efficiency? Really?
The entire page is based on "common knowledge" derrived from the internet, none of which has any foundation in truth. They have nothing that anybody in an MV (or any other motor vehicle) wants to have. They are selling snake oil that you can buy just about anywhere in any color bottle you like.
Your new friend is not looking out for your best interest.
I'm gonna make a call tomorrow and talk to him. Thank you for the replies. Now to expand on what this guy told me. He owns/operates the company. He worked in the corporate realm and got out. He claims he works on equipment in the mining industry, like the huge earthmovers. Did some work for John Force-did something with the turbocharger. Was asked recently by Uncle Sam to look at why the M1 Abrams keeps throwing a main turbine bearing. He said it has a problem with oil cooking and turning into ash after shut down. Apparently the Exxon and the other oil companies cannot figure out how to solve the problem. I'm going to take your points to him and see what he has to say.
BND Automotive Diesel/Oil Additives
