mikey

Background: One of my large clients happens to be a pharmaceutical company. They create raw materials used in many of your everyday products such as shampoo, deodorant etc and sell those raw materials to companies like Revlon, Avon, J&J etc... Their key market segments are specialty Emollient Esters, Specialty Surfactants, UV Absorbers and Urethane Emollients and Conditioners. They have waste byproduct that they pay a lot to have disposed.

Question: How can I determine the viability of their waste byproduct as possible fuel for a deuce engine?

My POC at this company has no problem providing me with samples to be tested, MTDS / MSDS sheets or anything else since this could save them money not having to dispose of the waste.

One of the items is "thermonol 59". One of the uses for it, according to this link, is bio diesel: Therminol 59 - Synthetic heat transfer fluid used in low temperature pumping - North America

Another "waste" product he mentioned was petroleum based and he described it as "like gear oil".

Would I send these samples to a lab? If so, what would I ask the lab to look for? How does one determine what is OK for fuel and what is not for a deuce? Is it just trial and error?

Thanks

Mikey

kipman

Get some samples, see if it burns on a cloth rag, if so it should work, then you will have to think about filtering it.

mikey

filtering shouldn't be an issue... i'll be using a wolverine centrifuge (.5 micron)..

as far as thermonol 59, I'm confident it will burn. Flash point is 295F... diesel is 100-130f, gear oil 375-580f, motor oil 420-485f.. if straight wmo burns, thermonol should also... however, im guessing i need to test for something like btu to determine how effective it is when it burns in the mf engine... anyone know what determines how combustible a fuel is? is that btu?

as for the other petroleum based waste byproduct, i will be getting more info on those raw materials next week...

Overall, I'm not concerned about it burning, I'm more concerned about determining the effects on the IP, engine, seals etc and the exhaust byproduct... if i can find free fuel, thats great, but not if it will damage the deuce... I don't mind paying to send samples to a lab for testing, I'm just not sure what I should be testing for...

stumps

The MSDS for thermonol 59 doesn't list any special concerns with burning, or any special concerns about toxicity. It is made as a pumping fluid, so it probably wouldn't be a problem for seals, or anything in your fuel system. Absent any first hand experience, I guess you will have to try it and see what it does.

-Chuck

466Navastar

look at the msds for this product it MAY be considered a hazardous waste - is what it says

auto- ignition temp is 404 degrees c ........404 degrees Celsius = 759.2 degrees Fahrenheit....somebody jump in ---is this good for fuel?

TexAndy

I wonder what pressure would cause it to reach that temp and where the piston will be to make it reach that pressure?

mikey

I read the MSDS and had some concerns about the warnings pertaining to inhaling. Also the results of combustion are:

Hazardous products of combustion: carbon monoxide (CO); carbon dioxide; hydrocarbons; soot; smoke

But, I'm not sure what levels of each are present due to combustion or their associated risk.

The MSDS didn't convince me either way, but if nobody here has any solid input on that, I can have a chemist at this facility break that down for me in layman's terms

wreckerman893

Sounds like the by product of diesel burning.

You can always mix it with something that burns hotter and even the burn out.

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emmado22

Show me something that burns that DOESN'T give off that stuff.........

panshark

Mikey won't be smelling like fried chicken driving down the road. However...what will the smell be?