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Shawn MacAnanny
03-05-2012, 09:41
While looking for fiberglass tops for my truck (since the hard top on there is a little worse for wear) i see i can get them for around $700 or so. For that price i can get an entire crew cab cab from a silverado. There doesnt seem to be a whole lot of things what would need to be relocated and from what i have hear the frame railes are a standard 34" or so. I imagine the hood is much higher and would require a cab lift possibly but the factory cab is so tiny i would love to have more room, is this possible?

porkysplace
03-05-2012, 10:10
Anyting is possible with enough time, money ,engineering and shop space .

Warthog
03-05-2012, 10:13
How about this?

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/cucv/68105-how-multifuel-your-cucv.html

doghead
03-05-2012, 10:16
It all depends on what you want in the end, An historic MV or something else.

Shawn MacAnanny
03-05-2012, 10:34
Oh i bought the deuce for its versatility, not any historic aspects. It would be nice to have it crew cab with power windows and a nice heating system and more room to make it the ultimate vehicle. you can buy 80s crew cab trucks all day for $1500 running im sure i can get one for $1000 not running or a nicer 90s truck and just scrap everything else.

Thats a pretty neat CUCV. I doubt id ever get around to changing the cab but seeing my crew cab silverado parked next to it, it has me wondering. The cab may not even need to be raised because the silverado frame rails bend upward where the engien is mounted and the Duramax/allison isnt a very small engine combo.

I just cant justify spending $700 for a fiberglass top or $500 for a steel, $250 for a heater kit that sucks anywaym gonna need all new door seals, no locking doors etc when i can just buy an entire modern cab for that price and probably install it in the same time it would take me to replace all of those things. I may take some measurements just for ****s and giggles and see how much of a pain it would be. The hardest parts i see are where the steering column falls and where the shifter falls. Gauges and wiring etc dont seem too important, transmission tunnel can be modified easily enough being id be running captain chairs up front instead of bench.

porkysplace
03-05-2012, 10:42
You could probably get a 6x6 line truck for a few grand from a power company auction with everything you want.

Shawn MacAnanny
03-05-2012, 10:45
Did they come with an LDS engine? Im not familiar with the line trucks are they just converted deuces?

doghead
03-05-2012, 10:49
No, they all came with modern engines that are common and reliable.

I think it would be less work to swap a Multi fuel into a modern truck chassis (F600 or whatever)

Shawn MacAnanny
03-05-2012, 10:50
Haha you are probably right, you guys have successfully discouraged me from further investigating the possibility

gimpyrobb
03-05-2012, 11:25
Just swap the whole body onto the frame! I'm sure it would look great.

Truckoholic
03-05-2012, 12:23
I've been wanting to put a Peterbilt 379 cab and hood on a deuce frame.

harleyhouse
03-05-2012, 12:30
I would look for a crew cab international utility truck.
Loads of room and the right size to drop onto the frame.

You could go custom too!

Shawn MacAnanny
03-05-2012, 12:43
I was actually eying up the international crew cabs but they are hard to find. reasons i wanted to use a deuce platform and not something else

Deuce transmission, trasnfercase, axles and frame a very solid and parts are readily available just about everywhere.

The reasons i want to use a silverado cab is for very similar reasons. they can be had cheaply, blower box and heater core as well as all window glass windo regulators etc are widely produced, the interiors are very nice and roomy I dont think it would look too horrible on a deuce. Side by side the trucks are the same size, the silverado cab is actually taller when measured from the frame

Kohburn
03-05-2012, 13:00
do it!

I actually have been mulling the idea of a cabover conversion - but I bought a deuce to make an RV

Shawn MacAnanny
03-05-2012, 13:17
How much do you think the 12ft deuce bed weighs? im curious if im gonna be able to remove the bed with our forklit. it's a double reach truck so it will lift 3,000lb extended 6ft out or so.

Beerslayer
03-05-2012, 13:26
I have seen International S Series trucks, usually 4x4 with a dump bed and snow plow reasonable on auctions. For comfort that's the way to go. By the time you get done spending the money to make the deuce or 5 ton something it's not, it is cheaper to just get a good used truck already setup that way.

harleyhouse
03-05-2012, 13:39
This would be my choice but I bet it would be **** on the hearing riding over the diesel!

Recovry4x4
03-05-2012, 13:45
Deuce bed = 2000#

Gimpy, love your Benz

harleyhouse
03-05-2012, 13:56
Get your bid in!

porkysplace
03-05-2012, 14:05
Get your bid in!



Come on harleyhouse you been here long enough to know you can't post active auctions , they just made everyone read the site rules last week.

Shawn MacAnanny
03-05-2012, 14:09
Thanks! I really dont feel like towing that thing back 500 miles though haha.

harleyhouse
03-05-2012, 14:18
Come on harleyhouse you been here long enough to know you can't post active auctions , they just made everyone read the site rules last week.


Sorry saw it to the left of the screen " just sliding it to the right"

RRworker
03-05-2012, 14:41
I went down this road not too long ago, was originaly,looking for a bigger truck then my nissian titan and something not seen often. I was in the research phase of that project when I figured a deuce would be a good project, might still build my truck one day but gonna need a place with more space. But back on topick.

Here is the layout I would have used, mind you this would have been alot of work but would give you a unique truck.
frame- gmc topkick/ chevy kodiak ('93)
Body- topkick tip hood, crewcab and bed ('95 1-ton modified to run tandems)
Engine-6v53t detroit (multifuel in your case)
Trans- fuller fso-6406 or fso-8406 (both available in SAE 2 or 3 flyhousing)
T-case and axles- A2 deuce or 5 ton (m900?)
Brakes and steering- hydromax and ps box thats on the topkicks with extra parts too brake the tandems properly.
Suspesion- softer leaf springs from a local spring shop
Electrical- a tangle of topkick chassis, crewcab body and custom wire harnesses.

As you can see it would have been a huge project, and i still had more research to do and piles of notes and specs already. In the end i learned about the.deuce and figured it was already 75% of the truck I wanted, with somr modification and updating (still have the tickle to put my detroit 6v53 in it, buy cant argue with the awesome multifuel) it would be 100% the truck I want. Hope this helps and gives you some ideas, please excuse me if i made any forum no-no's kinda new to the site and forums in general.

Howie

bajajoaquin
03-05-2012, 14:44
If you check out this guy's build on Pirate 4X4, he's mixed light-duty cabs with medium-duty hoods:

Pirate4x4.Com - View Single Post - F-700 4x4 Camper (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12196369&postcount=67)

Of course, he's putting a Ford cab on a Ford F-700, but maybe there's something there.

Shawn MacAnanny
03-05-2012, 15:07
thanks RRworker, i think the deuce is a great platform im just displeased with the cab of it. I really dont think its all that much work to swap the cab over and really would be much cheaper than buying an entire truck. Its not that huge of a job i dont think.

Ive put a 454bbc in a c60 327 dump truk i had at 17, i built my ls1 and put it in my 1968 firebird with viper t56 at 19, at 20 i put and ls1 and 4l60e in a toyota tacoma and ive been a part of many other projects. i know its completely doable i was just curious is anyone had already done it.

That camper is really awesome. the ford light duty cab mates up with the medium duty front very nicely.

bajajoaquin
03-05-2012, 15:44
Yeah, elsewhere in the thread he says that the Fords are like that: they share the same sheet metal from the cowl back. Sounds like you're a Chevy guy. You could probably check to see if GM products are designed the same way. Since GM tends to have better parts commonality, I'd be surprised if something like that wasn't possible

RRworker
03-05-2012, 16:44
Kinda went overboard on my example. seeing that your familiar with the c60 you could just use the mount setup from one of those and a cab from a light duty chevy/gmc if you wanted a crew cab. IIRC the 80's c60 used the same cab as the light duty trucks with the added benefit to use the c60 front clip if the deuce sheetmetal doesnt look right. Your right tho just a cab and possible front clip swap would not be that difficult at all.

Howie

plym49
03-05-2012, 16:50
I was actually eying up the international crew cabs but they are hard to find. reasons i wanted to use a deuce platform and not something else

Deuce transmission, trasnfercase, axles and frame a very solid and parts are readily available just about everywhere.

The reasons i want to use a silverado cab is for very similar reasons. they can be had cheaply, blower box and heater core as well as all window glass windo regulators etc are widely produced, the interiors are very nice and roomy I dont think it would look too horrible on a deuce. Side by side the trucks are the same size, the silverado cab is actually taller when measured from the frame

I would go for it. It is a perfectly reasonable idea. My only suggestion is to find a way to keep the Deuce nose. No 'common' truck looks like that nor as good..

Shawn MacAnanny
03-05-2012, 18:30
I would go for it. It is a perfectly reasonable idea. My only suggestion is to find a way to keep the Deuce nose. No 'common' truck looks like that nor as good..


i completely agree about the front end. I really like the deuce front end. I will take some measurements and try to see where it all would fall. i know the deuce front wouldnt be the same shape as the doors but buying a couple fenders could be pieced in i think to make a perfect fit.

My C60 was a 1968 though i did have an 85 and they were pretty much the same asside from the wheels and one had air brakes. Ive been sorting through a few crew cab trucks on craiglist under 1500 which i think is pretty reasonable to get the entire interior and windows doors mortors etc. I can always put a new interior in later.

I am a chevy guy but ive owned and operated most every brand for this project i wouldnt really have any prefference between a ford or a chevy both have large crew cabs, the dodge not so much unless i got a mega cab which i just wouldnt spend the money on.

plym49
03-05-2012, 23:04
i completely agree about the front end. I really like the deuce front end. I will take some measurements and try to see where it all would fall. i know the deuce front wouldnt be the same shape as the doors but buying a couple fenders could be pieced in i think to make a perfect fit.

My C60 was a 1968 though i did have an 85 and they were pretty much the same asside from the wheels and one had air brakes. Ive been sorting through a few crew cab trucks on craiglist under 1500 which i think is pretty reasonable to get the entire interior and windows doors mortors etc. I can always put a new interior in later.

I am a chevy guy but ive owned and operated most every brand for this project i wouldnt really have any prefference between a ford or a chevy both have large crew cabs, the dodge not so much unless i got a mega cab which i just wouldnt spend the money on.

Glad we agree on that. Yes, I am sure that there is a way to get the pieces to transition from Deuce to Chevy (I am a Chevy person, too). While you look for good used crew cabs, ponder this: would a van body work? An extended full-size van body might almost be easier to line up, it would have all the creature comforts, and the added length might fit the Deuce chassis better. I'm not sure how good it would look, but I bet it would be easier to find a full-size extended van with a trashed powertrain and decent body/interior. Find an armored-car body and you get to keep the flat windshield. Wow, so many possibilities...

misupratwin
03-05-2012, 23:21
Don't forget about adding a 12 volt charging system to run all that stuff .

silverstate55
03-06-2012, 00:12
Yeah, elsewhere in the thread he says that the Fords are like that: they share the same sheet metal from the cowl back. Sounds like you're a Chevy guy. You could probably check to see if GM products are designed the same way. Since GM tends to have better parts commonality, I'd be surprised if something like that wasn't possible

Yes, to a point. I've got an 86 GMC 3/4-ton pickup that I'm going to transfer the cab & engine to a 94 Kodiak 5500 frame (with Hydro-Max!!). This truck has a Detroit Diesel engine that needs a flip-front hood.

1973-87 Chevy medium-duty trucks (Kodiaks, C-50/60/70) used the same cabs and cab mounts; for the flip-forward fiberglass hoods, just add the fender extensions and the hood will line right up. BUT, not all of these medium-duty trucks came with tilt hoods; some came with what is referred to as an "Alligator Hood" that is steel & opens like a standard pickup hood. I've seen some HD Chevy medium trucks well into the 1988 & 89 model years with the 73-87 cab & tilt hood, but by 1989 the new cab was used with fiberglass tilt hoods. Get some fender extensions and you can use the 1990-??? newer Chevy cabs with fiberglass tilt hoods from the medium duty Kodiaks (C5500/6500/7500).

GMC trucks are different though; these used the pre-1973 pickup cab with their tilt hood medium-duty trucks, some with 2-piece split windshields. It wasn't until the 1980s that GMC switched over to using the 1973-87 Chevy cab for their medium duty trucks...and used either a fiberglass tilt hood or the steel Alligator Hood.

Ford used the same cab from 1980-1998 for their F-series pickups & medium-duty trucks. In the 1990s they developed a completely new medium duty cab that they ended up selling to Freightliner, which branded the new line as Sterlings. You can adapt the 1980-1998 F-series pickup cabs to accept the medium-duty fiberglass tilt hoods.

Hope this helps.

silverstate55
03-06-2012, 00:14
I recently saw a truck for sale in Southern California on CL; it was a 1960 or 61 Ford F100 longbed that was grafted onto a bobbed Deuce frame...I think someone swapped in a gas V-8, if I remember correctly.

harleyhouse
03-06-2012, 14:03
Keep the front clip and build a custom cab.

Shawn MacAnanny
03-06-2012, 14:55
That is really awesome. I would preffer to use an existing cab, with door windows, motors, heater cores, vents, blower motors etc that can be purchased as replacements easily.

Shawn MacAnanny
03-07-2012, 17:18
Does anyone have any pictures of the deuce chasis without the cab on it? Or pictures of the cab removed by itself?

Bcurtman
03-07-2012, 21:13
Ok, that's really sharp, but what is it? I first thought M-37, then corrected myself to a M-601 Danish power wagon. Does anyone claim it?

HELLRIDER
03-11-2012, 23:34
I bought this Bronco a few years ago. It has the stock frame, with deuce rears, springs and hangers, and power steering box. I didn't build it, but looks super easy to do. It has a 351, and a c6. I haven't done much with it, and it is on my property in Vt. Next time i go up, I will take chassis pics if you would like. 8-)

BackWoodsDrifter
03-12-2012, 01:03
There was a guy at the Bloomsburg 4X4 Jamboree that had a c60 cab and a dually K30 box setting on a deuce frame. looked real sharp, body lines matched up with with cab and box. He had one rear axle and ran super singles. Had thought bout doing that but sold my dually box off my 3+3 parts truck so that was the end of that.

11Echo
03-12-2012, 06:14
While looking for fiberglass tops for my truck (since the hard top on there is a little worse for wear) i see i can get them for around $700 or so. For that price i can get an entire crew cab cab from a silverado. There doesnt seem to be a whole lot of things what would need to be relocated and from what i have hear the frame railes are a standard 34" or so. I imagine the hood is much higher and would require a cab lift possibly but the factory cab is so tiny i would love to have more room, is this possible?

A couple here. It's a shame they goofed the tipper.

Speedwoble
03-12-2012, 06:59
73-87 Cab

Interestingly, there were some changes to the cabs through the years. The 73's did not come with drip rails above the doors, nor did they have provisions for shoulder belts. They also used a glass fuse blocks. That I can tell the shoulder belts, ATC? fuses, and drip rails changed for the 75 model year.

Shawn MacAnanny
03-12-2012, 08:55
Well i see i am not the first one to have this idea then. I am really going to start looking into this though i dont see any keeping the stock front end. I still havent gotten a chance to take any measurements. i would preffer a 90s+ cabs that would have modern power windows, nice captain seats and shoulder belts plus an ac condensor and blower box should i decided i want to use one.

silverstate55
03-12-2012, 18:34
Well i see i am not the first one to have this idea then. I am really going to start looking into this though i dont see any keeping the stock front end. I still havent gotten a chance to take any measurements. i would preffer a 90s+ cabs that would have modern power windows, nice captain seats and shoulder belts plus an ac condensor and blower box should i decided i want to use one.

And plenty of electronics to go with it.

quickfarms
03-12-2012, 18:54
On the fords the firewall and floors are a lot different in the medium duty trucks. Depending on the engine you may or may not have a doghouse in the cab. The floor an the medium duty does not have a transmission hump.

I would start with a civilan medium or heavy duty truck, add the transfer cas and swap the axles to make it work. If you do not use the 900 series axles make sure that the truck has hydrolic brakes. also with the gear ratios in the axles you want a truck that has an overdrive trans in it.

Shawn MacAnanny
03-12-2012, 19:12
And plenty of electronics to go with it.

Well i would only be using power windows, blower motor (just a resitor pack), the wipers and maybe electric seats. nothing else really requires any fancy wiring.

plym49
03-12-2012, 19:54
Well i would only be using power windows, blower motor (just a resitor pack), the wipers and maybe electric seats. nothing else really requires any fancy wiring.

Correct.

Shawn MacAnanny
03-12-2012, 20:05
Id say the newer electric wipers, power windows, and blower/defroster system is far superior to that of anything in the deuce and far outweigh anything negative about them being electric. I dont plan on fording 50" of water either.