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Deuce Arctic Heater Info Compilation Thread
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RE: Deuce Arctic Heater Info Compilation Thread
Ethan, a full blown kit includes hard top, hood and radiator covers, cab insulation, alcohol evaporator, personnel heater, coolant and oil pan heater. That makes a total of two separate fuel burning heaters, the one for the engine is not used when the engine is running. The battery box is also replaced with a coolant heated one (at least on the 8x  .
There are pictures in most TMs, but you are right, don't think I have seen one complete set of instructions. The manuals for the 8x8 come close, but all three manuals are needed, the -10, -20 and the -34.
There is also a kit for the cargo compartment for the deuce, got a Vintage Video showing it....
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RE: Deuce Arctic Heater Info Compilation Thread
I guess most people get most of these goodies from other kits that do a partial job. I am trying to mainly answer questions about the personnel heater, and the coolant/oil heater. I must be looking at the wrong TMs as the one I found has no pics.
-The fuel burning personnel heater on the M35 goes where the more common M35 coolant personnel heater is located, correct?
-Where is the fuel burning coolant/oil heater mounted?
-Does the fuel burning coolant/oil heater contain its own coolant pump, or does it need an external one?
-If a M35 was equipped with both the common coolant run cab heater and the coolant/oil heater would there be any reason both could not be run to heat the cab when the engine is shut down? The only worry that I can think of with that is exhaust gases being pulled into the cab.
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These images from the 1965 -10 manual may help answer some questions.
There is very little chance of getting exhaust fumes mixed with the hot air, the systems are well separated.
The "emergency" shut down switch shown in one image is only used in case of chemical/nuclear attach when the air is contaminated. Power is shut off to the fan. Normal shut-down takes 2 to 3 minutes as the heater runs to purge itself of fuel....
One fuel pump is used with shut-off cocks so that only one heater is served at a time. The engine heater is operated first to warm the engine and then shut down. The fuel shut-off valves are next set to run the personnel heater. It only takes seconds to heat the cab with this unit.
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Virginia's Blue Ridge Mountains
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Avatar: XM757 in OK prepared for 1,000 mile trip home. Part of 6,000 mile journey in 2006.
1968 M49A2C modified with 1960 M756A2 truck bed and 1975 HIAB 765A knuckleboom. Heated dual tank system for biodiesel/veggie oil use.
1969 Ford XM757 8x8, 5-ton Pershing 1A truck tractor, the "improved" MV.
"Some things can't be made better, just differently......a lot of things actually"
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cucv coolant heater has its own coolant pump, deuce relies on convection.
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Does convection actually work well in a deuce? I would imagine a pump even if external would be prefered even if it cost a few more amps. I was looking at my battery compartment compared to the above picture of the mounted heater, and it certainly does not look like there would be enough room for both the heater and battery box.
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Ethan, the batteries are moved into the crew compartment, under the companion seat.
I'll check on the convection thing, heating the oil pan will let warm exhaust spill out and warm the rest of the engine too.
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Avatar: XM757 in OK prepared for 1,000 mile trip home. Part of 6,000 mile journey in 2006.
1968 M49A2C modified with 1960 M756A2 truck bed and 1975 HIAB 765A knuckleboom. Heated dual tank system for biodiesel/veggie oil use.
1969 Ford XM757 8x8, 5-ton Pershing 1A truck tractor, the "improved" MV.
"Some things can't be made better, just differently......a lot of things actually"
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some engines do not have a water pump and rely on convection to circulate water through the radiator for cooling. this is probably the main reason the heater was mounted low in relation to the water jacket of the engine.
tom bauer m-621
real 6 wheel drive - air lockers
real power steering - hydraulic
real fast - only .69 od in the world - for now at least
http://waterloospecialties.webs.com/
m-35 transmission expert
multifuel head gaskets, new style, $80, free shipping
avatar - 64mph @ 2400 rpm
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Originally Posted by cranetruck
Ethan, the batteries are moved into the crew compartment, under the companion seat.
I'll check on the convection thing, heating the oil pan will let warm exhaust spill out and warm the rest of the engine too.
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this is interesting. is the box sealed and vented? do you have a pic or location of a pic for this. I'd like to see how it was done. might do this to mine for some strange reason.
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For me the battery relocation is a big problem, so I would have to find another solution. I plan to remove the bench and replace it with a spring ride, so I lose that space where the batteries could go. I would think of making a more compact heater installation, and perhaps making a smaller battery boxes.
On the other hand relocating the battery could free up a second storage compartment where the batteries were. I would make an enclosed box for passenger compartment with a drain/vent line going through the floor.
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