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Old 04-10-2010, 00:25   #1 (permalink)
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Default OK a little help,,, pump and roll on a fire truck that does not really allow for that

How do we make it work efficiently. I have 500 gal of water and 50 gal of foam... an awesome weapon... If I could pump and roll... any ideas?

I need those that have some experience to talk to me... I want to minimize expense and maximise results... Sometimes you need to be able to get in and out with your own water source. It would really be a nice option, just to make our sites safer... we don't leave much room for error!!!

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You have to use a stand alone pump and motor. Maybe you could T off the suction side of the tank and switch it from the PTO driven pump to the stand alone pump. Our department just finished converting an M35A3 to a brush pumper with 900 gallon tank. I spent 17 hours in it yesterday and it kicked butt!
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You can do it off the pto just watch your rpm's . On brush fires we put a guy in the back off the 4x4 brush truck and just dont over rev the pto.
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I think the 530C in pump and roll all ready. Read the TM.
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Years ago, I was on the Volunteer Fire Dept. I remember training sessions where they called it a "road Pump". You went through a separate procedure. - Its probably like described above.
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I think the 530C in pump and roll all ready. Read the TM.
Manual says to put transfer case in neutral and tranny in 5th gear... if transfer is in neutral... it will not go anywhere... am I missing something?

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You have to use a stand alone pump and motor. Maybe you could T off the suction side of the tank and switch it from the PTO driven pump to the stand alone pump. Our department just finished converting an M35A3 to a brush pumper with 900 gallon tank. I spent 17 hours in it yesterday and it kicked butt!

Know what??? could that be the reason that they have a 24V electric OD green pump in the back of the truck with a short suction line sitting on top of the tank? looks like it was never used... but truck brought the pump and the 24V cable with one big lug in the center.??/ maybe that is how they got around it... tank had a hole cut into its top... HMMM begining to make sense...
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You have to use a stand alone pump and motor. Maybe you could T off the suction side of the tank and switch it from the PTO driven pump to the stand alone pump. Our department just finished converting an M35A3 to a brush pumper with 900 gallon tank. I spent 17 hours in it yesterday and it kicked butt!
17 hours huh??? Wow... I just went for a 3 hour spin and cannot hear myself think... Wow she is loud... reminds me of a girl I once knew.... (Stop it... she was not loud that way../. I wish!!!) this one was just loud... you know the type... Good morning sounded a lot like... reveille...
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We have headsets for our radios, that makes a big difference. the A3's have nufflers which helps too. Still burning after 3 days. Started out as a controlled burn, then got out of control. Right at 2000 acres now. Not trying to change the subject but we mounted a pump/motor combo that has cab mount engine controls and it works great. maybe you could tap into the tank in another spot or tee off the suction that is already there. Then you run the small engine for pump and drive and the PTO for the bigger stuff.
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We have headsets for our radios, that makes a big difference. the A3's have nufflers which helps too. Still burning after 3 days. Started out as a controlled burn, then got out of control. Right at 2000 acres now. Not trying to change the subject but we mounted a pump/motor combo that has cab mount engine controls and it works great. maybe you could tap into the tank in another spot or tee off the suction that is already there. Then you run the small engine for pump and drive and the PTO for the bigger stuff.
You know... I have worked more than one "controlled burn" that got out of hand. Honestly, mother nature sometimes just does not take kindly to "control". I will try the electric pump first... looks solid enough... but probably only good for about 20-50 GPM... I suppose that a 500GPM pump on a 500 Gal tank... through a 250 GPM spout would run out rather quickly...

I do not know if the pto is disconnected when you switch into high or low on the transfer case... gotta try that

either way, our prayers are with you, good luck... make sure you come back next time out! Remember, the best hero is the one that does his job yet lives to fight that other fire.
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