rhinomike

Went to get my deuce from m-burg, PA today. Checked fluids, fuel, and filters. The truck started right up and ran well. Took the e-brake off and tried to move it. It felt like the the brake was sticking and couldn't get it to move. I freed up the e-brake tried to move it again it fought moving for a second and then nothing. I looked under again and the output shaft was coming out the back of the trans. I still couldn't get the truck to roll with everything in neutral. Anyone seen this before? Do ya think it's the tranny or something else locked up? I was able to pull the rear driveshaft and have it towed home. I have a new tranny to put in, but I don't know what else to look for. I don't want to put a tranny in and blow that one due to something else being broken. Any and all thoughts or suggestions would be great!
Yea, I am new to the deuce/MV world HOWEVER, My daily driver is a 26000GVWR pick up, I'm not new to big trucks, air brakes, etc. I race jeeps offroad proffessionally and am well experienced in the off-road 4WD arena.

thanks for any feedback
mike

illtemper

welcome,I'm new to this as well,but likewise not new to big trucks.
This is an overly simple suggestion ,and I'm sure you know, but.
Seems to me if the axles and transfer case spin freely, and it runs good,it can only be the tranny or clutch.
that's all I got...good luck.

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Recovry4x4

Can you move the shifter? A worn shift tower will sometimes let the tranny engage 2 gears.

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clinto

I'd throw a socket and a ratchet on the output of the transfer and see if it will spin. If it spins in neutral and in gear with the tranny in neutral, then I would say the next step is to check the rear diffs and the tranny.

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Djfreema

I had a transfer case on a cj-7 jeep that did the same thing, a set screw had come loose allowing high range in 1 axle and low range in the other axle, it felt like it was fighting itself when ever I tried to move. Might be a simple fix.

Sarge

Yeah, seen this one many times before.
It happened to me again in January when I picked up my new deuce.
You say you released the e-brake? How? By pushing the handle down?
When these old trucks sit for months or years with the emergency parking brake on, they often stick the brake pads to the rusty drum. It's very common with deuces and any other truck with an unprotected brake.
The way to release a stuck parking brake is to first release the handle.
Then get under the truck and look where the driveshaft comes out the rear of the transfer case. Look closely at the parking brake. Do you see air between the shoes and the drum? No? Then the brake is still on.
Release it using a large screwdriver, a crowbar or a BFH.
Do you see air between the shoes and the drum? Yes? Now the brake is off.
P.S. It's a very good idea to chock the vehicle BEFORE releasing the parking brake.
Ask me how I know.
If you already did all of the above, then my apologies to you. If you did not, don't worry, no one is calling you a moron, I do stuff like that all the time.
The moral of this story:
If you are going to park a deuce for a long time (on a level surface) leave the parking brake off and chock the truck.
-Sarge

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rhinomike

Sarge,
did all aboved things first, and made sure the brake was free. I couldn't get the truck to roll even with in neutral/ transfer in N and brake off. The tow guy and I removed the first rear drive shaft and he took it home on a wheel lift. Meaning that both set of rears were spinning. Haven't tried to roll it again, yet. I will know more when it goes up on the lift. I have it at my buddies Big truck shop now. I'm guess I'm fishing for and easy fix. I plan on putting in the new transmission and see what happends. I can spin the rear transfer case output, front doesnt spin, But it was in 2WD. The Output shaft on the tranny is pushed out about 2 or 3 inches all but ready to fall out. So......... Maybe transfer case locked and broke tranny??? If the truck rolls freely all wheels on the ground everything in neutral it has to be Tranny or transfer case, if not , it's a bad ring and pinion??? That's all i can think

illtemper

sprag or air t/c ?
not sure it matters ,that doesn't sound right.

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Srjeeper

Hi Mike,

Welcome to the site and to the wonderful world of OD/MV Addiction. I'm the old guy that was at RC last Oct. with the guy's and witnessed you get bitten by the OD bug.
Sorry your first deuce recovery got off to a rocky (pun intended) start, but after seeing you in NEUROC & UROC you'll have this figured out in no time I'm sure.
Hope to see you at RC for the Rally again this year in your own deuce.
Whatever problems you run into will be made much easier by the great bunch of guy's and gals here on SS.

Good luck and again, Welcome

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FreightTrain

There is nothing wrong with the axles.If a ring and pinion was scattered it would not have rolled with drive shaft out.Chunks would have locked up the carrier and spiders and you would have known.Might ahve made it a little ways but sooner or later something would have hung unless your one lucky SOB....and in that case buy a loto ticket.If the yoke is not against the transmission then you have a scattered tranny.The main shaft is broke.Buy another tranny and scrap the old one.If it broke bad enough to push the output shaft out the rear then there is a very good chance that it was a spectacular failure and looks like you drop a Frag grenade in the case.And I would also look into buying a transfer case too.Cause if the trans blew and now it won't even roll then that truck more than likely was in motion and came to a sudden stop with the tranny acting as teh brake.The transfer more than likely was damaged.Check all the drive shafts and make sure non got twisted.I figure the axles could take such a beating once or twice.You should be ok there.The drive shaft would have flexed enough to take some of the shock load out.You can replace the tranny and transfer for about 300-400 bucks if you shop around and find someone like wreckerman on here parting out trucks....