"Perhaps, but we haven't yet determined that radium was used on any of the gauges. My '69 is both glow, and radium free. It has no measurable gamma or beta emissions. It has none of the apparatus needed to have tritium dials... "
Early Tritium wasn't in any apparatus- it was tritiated solvent mixed with phosphorescent paint to glow so it would not have the vial--type apparatus of night sights or modern watches. It is hard to distinguish from normal whitish-green paint.
You can't detect tritium easily with a normal geiger counter, the low energy 18 keV beta particles from it aren't strong enought to go through the walls of a geiger counter gas wall detector or the gauge glass window.
I suspect, IF anything is radioactive, its likely with tritium. I think these trucks are too new for radium. I'm certain older vehicles likely had some radium, but I doubt into the 1970s it was continued. I could be wrong though.
I understand that, and I have geiger counters that can detect the beta from tritium dials. I also know exactly what they look like, and I can assure you my '69 M35A2 has none in it.
Tritium paint is easy to tell over white paint. It is thick, and builds up off of the dial surface. It is also yellowish green in color. After 10/15 years, it won't glow very brightly anymore. After 20/30 years, it is too dim to see even in the darkest room.
Radium dials were not made past 1968. Some promethium dials were made from 1968 through 1980. Tritium became popular, but like promethium, it is very short lived.
I ate lead paint chips as a kid for snacks...we were poor.
Hey wait...maybe I can blame DOD cause i never could have kids...I got to ride in several deuces when extremely lucky...but mostly had ta walk...for over 20 friggin years
The gauges did it!!!
I need a bailout
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The manager for the M35A2's said it was about gauges. Why would he lie?
-Chuck
Because he doesn't know just like everybody else. Military orders come down from the top often without explanation and he has to follow them. Probably he got the call and when he asked for an explanation, the secretary who was told to call him really did not have much interest in the topic and heard something about a gauge or something.........
There are 474 trucks on that list, 130ish of them are Frankfort KY trucks and another large group are FT Knox trucks. There are some stragglers from other various sites, but the bulk of those trucks are KY trucks.
There are thousands of trucks from the exact same era that are not effected in the hands of the public right now. Granted this may be a test group of trucks and then the inspections will spread from there, but we are talking a huge undertaking and cost to do so.
Like I said before I am sitting tight for now, this could blow over relatively quickly if somebody talks some sense into the Pencil Pusher who thought this mess up. It could also take years if they go through and actually inspect all these trucks individually. I just hope that if they inspect them they release them as they inspect instead of as a group when it is done
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Like I said before I am sitting tight for now, this could blow over relatively quickly if somebody talks some sense into the Pencil Pusher who thought this mess up. It could also take years if they go through and actually inspect all these trucks individually. I just hope that if they inspect them they release them as they inspect instead of as a group when it is done
I am not "sitting tight" which is exactly why I wrote to both of my US Senators in addition to the Congressman I wrote a week ago.
Remember, we have a 60 day clock ticking and better than 35 days is gone on the Frankfort auctions.
Sitting tight is fine as long as GL sits tight and doesn't cancel these auctions because they went beyond the 60 day point...I can promise you, that if they do cancel them and then end up relisting later, my two trucks will bring more than the $1200 that I bid on them.
I am only 12 days into my 60 day wait so I have plenty of time to sit tight. I also have the feeling that the clocks officially stopped when the hold order was issued. We are talking about a lot of money in sold trucks and GL is not going to be in any hurry to hand it all back.
I think that a large group of us writing to our politicians will serve no useful purpose, but to draw unwanted attention from Washington. A politician's solution is not going to be to issue "unsafe" trucks to the general public, but rather to refund the people's money.
Also we must keep in mind that we all accepted the TERMS OF USE when we bid on these trucks; none of our rights are being violated here.
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Based on folks still getting their paid-in-full invoices and picking up trucks, I do not think the EUC clock is stopping.
What's really going to be a problem for me is if my EUC clears and I'm expected to get my ammo trailer out of Wright Patt with no clear future on my Deuce. I don't have any use for the trailer without it. I guess I could re-sell the trailer, though.
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I am only 12 days into my 60 day wait so I have plenty of time to sit tight. I also have the feeling that the clocks officially stopped when the hold order was issued. We are talking about a lot of money in sold trucks and GL is not going to be in any hurry to hand it all back.
I think that a large group of us writing to our politicians will serve no useful purpose, but to draw unwanted attention from Washington. A politician's solution is not going to be to issue "unsafe" trucks to the general public, but rather to refund the people's money.
Well, I am 35 days into my wait...
Alot of it depends on how the inquiry is worded. I simply asked my Representative to inquire about MY particular auction lots and see if he could possibly expedite them. I didn't give broad complaints about the system.
And I have gotten ZERO guaranty from GL that the clock has stopped on these auctions. That's an assumption not based on anthing but opinion.
Based on folks still getting their paid-in-full invoices and picking up trucks, I do not think the EUC clock is stopping.
What's really going to be a problem for me is if my EUC clears and I'm expected to get my ammo trailer out of Wright Patt with no clear future on my Deuce. I don't have any use for the trailer without it. I guess I could re-sell the trailer, though.
And when I asked GL about the 14-day limit I had to remove my trucks, he couldn't answer whether that still applied. So there is every possibility that the 14-day clock is ticking, and I could lose everything I have into these trucks.
I know that makes no sense...you would think the 14-day limit is on hold...but unless I hear something official about it, I won't assume that. I watched my father lose 25% on a truck because GL screwed up the paperwork, so I'm sure not trusting the govt. to make this right.
Jim
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1962 M35A2, LDS 427, 11.00-20 Goodyear radials, For Sale
1971(?) M35A2, NDTs, may get bobbed
1 M105A2, rough, work trailer
Here's my situation. MyAuction was 4737 like most everyone's. My EUC cleared and I got my paid invoice 10/27. When I spoke to Ft Knox on Tuesday 10-27 they set my pick up for 11/6, then on Thursday Josh from GL at FT Knox called me back and said they couldn't come to Frankfort on 11/6 due to a generator issue(WTF that ever meant) but could I come on 11/13. Seems Fridays are the only day they are doing pick ups. I said I couldn't because of a trip he said no worries come on the 20th.
Then Friday night I get my Dear John letter from GL.
Now am I suppose to assume(we all know that definition) that my clock is on hold until the get this squared away ? I'm not walking from my truck. If the gauge is contaminated, fine rip it out, I'll make do.
GL screwed me once already on another truck when I filed a claim for a torn cargo cover and they opted to just refund my money and keep the truck.
Todd
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