Steel Soldiers::Military Vehicles Supersite
Mark Forums Read

Reload this Page



» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
» Online Users: 293
104 members and 189 guests
123mack , 3dAngus , 68t , ABN173 , AC , aiuduin , albertgleichman , bill2444 , BKubu , Bob H , BrutallyFrank , buzzinhalfdozzen , camp9 , captain-crank , Carl_in_NH , ChevyC60 , chevyCUCV , Chief_919 , clinto , combatmech , cucv1833 , dabtl , Dave_1972 , DEMON , Deuce_and_a_Half_Dragon , Dieselking22 , Dustinh , exbrown , fabrice , FlaDude , Flyingvan911 , Fredo Corleone , G749 , ga joe , Gearhead43 , gimpyrobb , grinningmule , Heath_h49008 , Hooty481 , hot rod deuce , indy4x4fab , islandguydon , Jeepers69 , jeepzilla47 , jetmech1983 , jfstites , jgusler , jooakes , jp-234 , kawhill , keithc , Krink545 , LibTimothy , lilreddodge , lippmann_keith@yahoo.com , Lonesome715 , longshot2171 , M1031CMT , m249tink , mactiredearg , maddawg308 , magneticanomaly , muddobber40 , mudguppy , MuskegonBrian , nhoffman94 , nofearnohope , ODDBALL007 , paintslinger16 , PAm1009 , patterson12 , plumkrazy , poppop , porkysplace , power wagon , POWERSTROKEN , rainbow , Repo3004 , rfischba1 , RGBanach , RidgeRunner609 , Roboskid , russ132 , Scrounge41 , SCSG-G4 , Sephirothq , Shankem-Deep , shenkmen , spencer p , steelsoldiers , Stretch44875 , tbanks , tequilaiam , tigertac , TiGWolf , TKRESS1 , tom2147 , toughmudder689 , unaffiliated , Valence , wallew , woodcutter
Most users ever online was 902, 10-29-2011 at 05:09.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools

Old 10-18-2009, 23:18   #1 (permalink)
Sergeant Major
 
dougimes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: greenville, sc
Posts: 122
dougimes
Default WC 21 is done! mostly

Mostly done.... Took it for a test ride today. First one over a few miles. Went pretty well.

I have a few questions for anyone that has experience.

- oil press at operating temp is 10-15 at idle and 35-40 at speed. is this normal?

- timing is set for 2 deg atdc at idle. I am getting a little pinging at modest load at 40mph. Pinging or tapping..... I did not rebuild the engine, but did check compression, and dropped the pan. Nothing amiss. Any ideas about the pinging?

- what is the path of oil thru the filter? I have a t-handle (civilian I think) type that takes a sock type filter. It looks like the oil comes up the tube to the middle of the filter and passes out the top.

It fits really tight in the canister. Dumbest filter concept I ever saw. How does it work?


Thanks for the input.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN0018a.jpg (102.0 KB, 89 views)
dougimes is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to dougimes For This Useful Post:
MWMULES (10-19-2009)
Old 10-18-2009, 23:32   #2 (permalink)
General
 
badgmc56's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Southington Ct.
Posts: 440
badgmc56
Default

10 lbs of oil pressure for every 1000 rpms is fine. The pinging is probably the lack of lead in the fuel. You can also play around with the timing until the pinging goes away just so long it does not affect the performance. Great looking truck by the way! Nice work.
badgmc56 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to badgmc56 For This Useful Post:
papabear (10-19-2009)
Old 10-19-2009, 04:07   #3 (permalink)
Chaplain
 
USAFSS-ColdWarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: San Angelo, Tom Green County, Texas USA
Posts: 5,929
USAFSS-ColdWarrior will become famous soon enough
Default

Beautifully accomplished.
__________________


SUNDAY SERMONS @ Chaplain's Corner: http://www.steelsoldiers.com/chaplains-corner/
"Vive mon penchant"
(Long live my addiction)

"The ARK": Our Deuce's Story: http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthr...ight=%24756.32

ROLL CALL: West Texas Detachment: http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthr...ight=roll+call
USAFSS-ColdWarrior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 04:31   #4 (permalink)
General
 
roger-wilco-66's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
Posts: 598
roger-wilco-66
Default

Nice work, congratulations! I like the looks of the old WCs!
__________________
**************************
in dubio, pro reo!

roger-wilco-66 aka Mark

1966 M35a2 w/w whistler turbo

**************************
roger-wilco-66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 08:06   #5 (permalink)
General
 
WarrenD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: CT
Posts: 567
WarrenD is on a distinguished road
Default

Very nice looking truck, you did a great job!
Oil pressure sounds ok, as Badgmc has said. Pinging (or knock) is usually from too hot combustion. Lead as a fuel additive was used to cool combustion temps, so that would be one way, another is to use higher octane gas. It might be worth a try before messing with the timing. Timing can help, but personally I dislike changing the timing from the recommended settings by more than 2 degrees either way.
WarrenD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 08:41   #6 (permalink)
Moderator (and wonderful human being)
 
clinto's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Athens, Ga.
Posts: 7,328
clinto will become famous soon enough clinto will become famous soon enough
Default

That looks great! We'd love to see more pics!

On the pinging, I'd throw a timing light on it and see where the timing is at. I don't know what the TM calls for on that thing, but a safe bet is 0° static as a baseline. If the timing is right, try better gas.

Oil pressure sounds reasonable.
__________________
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


2011 Ga Rally pictures: http://www.steelsoldiers.com/ga-rall...ia-thread.html
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
1968 Baifield M274A5 Mule
1967 Kaiser Jeep M35A2 W/W w/dump conversion
1987 AM General USAF M35A2C w/w
1987 Turtle Mountain M105A2
clinto is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 09:38   #7 (permalink)
4 Star General
 
Bill W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Brooks,Ga
Posts: 1,376
Bill W is on a distinguished road
Default

The 230 in my WC-21 and my M-37 ran best at 2°BTDC ( sea level)
Oil from the the gallery comes in to the side of the canister then through the element then thrugh the little metering hole in the center tube then out the bottom of the canister then returns to the pan via the oil pressure relief valve
Heres a cutaway of the 230 engine and you can see how its plumbed
Attached Images
File Type: jpg cutaway.jpg (70.3 KB, 55 views)

Last edited by Bill W; 10-19-2009 at 09:42.
Bill W is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bill W For This Useful Post:
USAFSS-ColdWarrior (10-19-2009)
Old 10-19-2009, 12:35   #8 (permalink)
4 Star General
 
davidkroberts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: west tennessee
Posts: 1,431
davidkroberts is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

i couldnt be more envious.... great looking truck
__________________
Dave in Tenn

19?? M818 tractor
1985 Bombardier Iltis
196? M35A2w/hardtop
196? M35A2 W/softop
1985 M1009 Blazer (2)
1968 Kaiser Jeep M715
1961 Mercedes Unimog 404
19?? MEP-002A 5KW Generator (sold)
1970 Gama Goat (sold)
19?? MEP-003A 10KW Generator (2)
1966 M101 3/4 ton trailer
davidkroberts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 12:45   #9 (permalink)
Sergeant Major
 
dougimes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: greenville, sc
Posts: 122
dougimes
Default

That diagram of the engine helps, thanks. Oil come in above and flows top to bottom and from center out. Sock filter still seems kind of "quaint" same thing woud be accomplished by stuffing the housing full of rags.

If the engine noise isn't pre-detonation, what else might it be? Wrist pins, valves?
dougimes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 13:43   #10 (permalink)
4 Star General
 
Bill W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Brooks,Ga
Posts: 1,376
Bill W is on a distinguished road
Default

"Oil come in above and flows top to bottom and from center out"

Thats not what I said and not whats shown in diagram., Lets try it this way, Unfiltered oil goes from outside of the canister( hose from HP oil galley on the side of the block to the "side" of filter housing ) to the inside of canister through the element, the now filtered oil goes through the metering hole in the center tube and then out the bottom back to the oil pan via the PR valve. These engines have a "Bypass" filter which mean none of the oil gets filtered before it goes to the bearings like our modern "Fullflow" oil system engines do. The Bypass filter taps off the main HP oil galley then filters the oil and then returns it to the oil pan

Last edited by Bill W; 10-19-2009 at 13:47.
Bill W is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bill W For This Useful Post:
USAFSS-ColdWarrior (10-19-2009)
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:10.


Copyright 1999-2012 SteelSoldiers.Com No information or photos to be used without permission.