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Bighurt
01-11-2012, 00:44
No it's not new, it was 20 year old surplus when the photo was taken, 14 years before I was born.

While searching for Payload transporter photos today in an attempt to help 2duece out on his Kenworth COE question I stumbled across these two photos of an M26A1 hauling Saturn 5 sections during the Apollo missions. The black and white is unknown (possible Apollo 4 or 5), but the second is the S-IC section for Apollo 8. Clear as day is the Dragon Wagon painted white and still serving our country. Well after the days WWII had seen an end.

An article broke down some of the info but the booster sections shown when empty weight 670,000lbs. Not to shabby for that 1,040-cu.in. 240hp Hall-Scott Model 440 straight-six engine.

I wonder what happened to the old Iron horse?

WillWagner
01-11-2012, 00:50
I've seen those pics before, I love seeing stuff like that!

wreckerman893
01-11-2012, 01:05
They didn't call them "Draggin Wagons" for nothing.

I made a pickup at some military base and there was one of those doing "Gate Guardian" duty near the place I was loading at.

If I remember correctly they were chain drive.

papabear
01-11-2012, 01:16
No it's not new, it was 20 year old surplus when the photo was taken, 14 years before I was born.

While searching for Payload transporter photos today in an attempt to help 2duece out on his Kenworth COE question I stumbled across these two photos of an M26A1 hauling Saturn 5 sections during the Apollo missions. The black and white is unknown (possible Apollo 4 or 5), but the second is the S-IC section for Apollo 8. Clear as day is the Dragon Wagon painted white and still serving our country. Well after the days WWII had seen an end.

An article broke down some of the info but the booster sections shown when empty weight 670,000lbs. Not to shabby for that 1,040-cu.in. 240hp Hall-Scott Model 440 straight-six engine.

I wonder what happened to the old Iron horse?

It's at CARNAC's AO...with the other space shuttle stuff.

998Junkie
01-11-2012, 05:19
Not to jump in with like a jargin nazi:-D, but I think it's a rocket hauler. That was my all time favorite rocket and stage. The big F-1's (missing the nozzle extensions in the second photo).

Saturn V 1st Engine Test - YouTube (http://youtu.be/pLQCzfzKsYs)

M813A1
01-11-2012, 05:42
Yes Wreckerman you are right the M26's Dragon Wagon were chain drive !! The first picture is the First Stage of the Saturn 5 with 5 F-1 Engines on it !! Big Hurt you are right that is the First Saturn Rocket first stage, it was a non flyer it was the test vehicle use to make sure everything would work durning the assembly of the flying Saturns. The way you can tell is the Black strips on the flying Saturn 1st Stage did not connect at the top, the prototype test vehicle is the only rocket that had the Black stripes that connected at the top stripe that went all the way around the the middle of the 1st Stage .

swbradley1
01-11-2012, 06:09
Cool pics and memorable for me since my Grandfather unloaded the Saturn V off the barges and onto the trailers. He was the crane operator.

:-)

Thanks Jeremy for posting and reminding me of some of the cool stuff he did in the 60s.

combatmech
01-11-2012, 07:37
Good stuff Bighurt!! I doubt we'll ever see the likes of the Saturn V again....I'd love to see us get out the low earth orbit rut and go somewhere.
My old man worked for NASA 58-63, and my godfather 62-75. Both public affairs officers.

NDT
01-11-2012, 08:11
I wonder what happened to the old Iron horse?

NASA might still have it rusting away down at the Cape. Here at JSC in Houston, they still have several C-2 wrecking trailers from WWII. They sold one of the fleet of three about 10 years ago and I snatched it up from GSA.

Jeff Lakaszcyck
01-15-2012, 23:13
Here's a thread from about 6 months ago on the same subject.

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/5-ton-up/73214-dragon-wagon-apollo-space-program.html

Wayofftrack
07-25-2012, 22:06
Hi Jeff,
About 1974 or so I was at SECO in Augusta with my Dad and there was one of those in their yard, painted white with the NASA meatball logo on the side. I thought it was an M26 from memory but it might have been an M26A1. Great find.
Clint

Jeff Lakaszcyck
07-28-2012, 13:10
Clint, I don't know if NASA had more than one M26A1, but it is very interesting that one ended up with SECO. I'd love to know where it went from there. Brevard county had a pretty nice M26A1 that they kept in Titusville into the '80's, and I think Beyel Bros in Cocoa still have two. I've often wondered if any of these were former NASA trucks. Beyel Bros recently moved into the old Cadillac Gage factory in Cocoa where they used to build armored cars. I'm hoping the Pacifics are hiding inside somewhere. Beyel Bros also had an M123. I need to get down there and see if they will let me look around.

zout
07-28-2012, 16:03
Wow - I remember watching Shephard's take off now your talking years ago and every launch up to the space shuttles.

Don't let PB see that booster or he'll getr ideas for our new launcher and wanna make it BIGGER.

If recall correctly and you fellas down in Fl correct me if I am wrong please - but does not one of the Saturn Rockets sit outside the Cape Canaveral (make this wrong on purpose) facility ??.

Jeff Lakaszcyck
07-29-2012, 11:47
Zout, there are 3 surviving Saturn V rockets that would have been flown on Apollo 18, 19, & 20 to the moon had the moon program not been canceled. There is a restored Saturn V at the Kennedy Space Center in a special facility built to house it. There is also a Saturn 1B (used on Skylab and Apollo Soyuz flights) in the KSC visitors center rocket garden. There is another restored Saturn V in a nearly identical facility at the Marshall Space Center visitors center in Huntsville Alabama. There is also a very real looking replica Saturn V in the vertical position at Huntsville, looking like it is ready to launch. The last survivor is in Houston Texas at the the Johnson Space Center. It has also been restored. Although I was never fortunate enough to witness a Saturn V launch, I have seen all 3 of the survivors and they are very impressive just standing still !

M813A1
07-29-2012, 22:05
There was also a Saturn 1b standing at the Alabama Visitor Center on South I-65 in Northern Alabama !!

DieselBob
07-29-2012, 22:12
Although I was never fortunate enough to witness a Saturn V launch, I have seen all 3 of the survivors and they are very impressive just standing still !
I would have taken time off without pay to watch a saturn V/Apollo launch. Oh well just wasn't born at the right time for that.

M813A1
07-29-2012, 22:24
It is Spetcaular to see a Saturn launch !! I remember I was about 10 when Apollo 17 was sitting on the launch Pad when our family toured the Kennedy Space Center !! That tour is a must see it is full of Space History !!

M813A1
07-29-2012, 22:34
Yes Zout as Jeff said !! NASA has restored and built a building around te Saturn V rocket that was sitting in it shipping cradle at the Kennedy Space Center .

Wayofftrack
07-30-2012, 17:06
Hi Jeff,
Beyel Bros. sold their M123 to a guy here on Steel Soldiers. I think he sold it on to someone up north. There is a thread about it on the 5 ton and up page iirc. He got it to run. It was very rusty, had been sitting outside a long time. I wish my Dad had taken some pics of the SECO yard. For some reason he didn't. I want to say the Pacific was an armored version but I'm not sure. I do remember it was white with the nasa logo. I wonder if they had any besides the one in FL? Something like that would look good in your shop.
Clint

swbradley1
07-30-2012, 17:30
There was also a Saturn 1b standing at the Alabama Visitor Center on South I-65 in Northern Alabama !!


It was there in 2005, I saw it 4 times as I drove past for Katrina.

ODFever
07-31-2012, 15:21
NDT - I worked at KSC up until last year and had access to lots of fun places around NASA/CCAFS property, including the Capeside DRMO lot and the NASA excess property warehouse. I never saw any of those vehicles anywhere on Center. :cry: A couple of years ago, I watched sections of the Saturn V launch tower get chopped up and sold for scrap. Seeing the picture of the Saturn section being hoisted in the VAB transfer aisle brings back lots of fond memories...

Wayofftrack
07-31-2012, 17:21
The one I saw at SECO was circa 1975 not longer after the end of Apollo. The probably cut them loose as soon as they could once there were no more Saturns to haul around. I saw lots of Saturn launches and they were spectacular.

Jeff Lakaszcyck
09-30-2012, 11:10
It turns out that the color photo that started this thread is on display inside the VAB for the public tours they are doing now. As has been mentioned, this was the 1st stage for Apollo 8, the 1st flight to orbit the moon. Here is the placard next to it with some additional info.

I also stumbled across another photo of a NASA M26A1 the other day, it is in an old display case in a VAB hallway. It mostly shows the new VAB in about 1966, but in the foreground is the Pacific & Saturn V dolly with a very primitive test article on it, really nothing more than a skeleton framework. The test article was probably used for facility fit checks. I'll try to get a photo of the photo and post it here.

11Echo
09-30-2012, 20:16
A few of my pics while in AL and of the rear drive chains on a M26.

NDT
01-01-2015, 20:15
A picture I ran across today at JSC Houston. Apparently shows the Saturn rocket on display there upon arrival by barge in Houston. Looky who was along for the ride. This would have been in 1977.


I think the connection between the M26 and NASA is this: Marshall Space Flight Center, where the Saturn rockets were developed and manufactured, happens to be co-located with Redstone Arsenal in Alabama. I can see some NASA guys wandering around at Redstone DRMO looking for something to tow the rocket stage transporters around, "hey this looks beefy enough, lets give it a try!" Later the trucks "migrated" to Kennedy Space Center along with the transporters. My guess anyway.

fasttruck
01-01-2015, 20:34
GL sold a M123 in one of their auctions that was in Florida. It was painted green and had radial tires. I wonder if it was a replacement for the
Pacifics ? GL also sold a 20 year old Allis Chalmers bulldozer about the same time inn Florida that had extremely low hours and teh green paint was still on the tracks.