Dolly ID

Can anyone tell which dolly this is? Even era would be a help, post WWII? It only has one set of tandem wheels with what looks like a landing leg with two solid metal wheels. I would like to know about how much weight is on the hitch without a load on the dolly, it looks like it would be tough to manhandle onto the pintal on my Armada.
Thanks,
James G.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/jtmmjaymeg@sbcglobal.net/album/576460762382362964

Tried the link. Yahoo tells me there's a problem. Yeah there's a problem...Yahoo isn't letting me look at the pic.......

same here

Try now, everytime Yahoo improves their photo sharing program it gets harder to use and less reliable!
James G.

i got the pics no problem, maybe it's just all yall, lol.

This is a single axle (as far as the photo shows) M 197 trailer convertor dolly that is towed by a deuce or prefferably a five ton and has a fifth wheel like a tractor that can hook to a semi trailer with a kingpin. See my post on the dolly convertor saga continues for close up pictures of my home made version of the same thing

I got em too. But poor picture, cant make out the type of dolly it is from thre picture.

Sorry about the picture quality I took the photo from a road I wasn't supposed to be on of a dolly in a field I couldn't go in.
James G.

Got to see the pics. I would say it is an M363.
For what it's worth.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1952-trailer-co...goryZ586QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Joe:
I am quite sure the M 197 replaced the 3 ton version 363. We used both the M 197 and M 354 convertors during the Desert Storm War because our Division did not have enough tractors and drivers to do a single lift move of the divisional equipment. The 354 is a two axle version with eight wheels. The drivers did not like hauling them as it limited them to hardball or packed gravel roads and made their progress very slow. I will update my dolly post in this regard if the LORD allows me to make it home safely with my homemade one and the M 127 I am picking up in New Jersey

It sure looks a lot like my M197. But a weedeater would help alot!

I was just going by what I could make out of the pic. The "one set of tandems" threw me off. As sometimes dual wheels are called tandems wheels. Though I don't know why or is it "correct". Versus a single axle with duals or a tandem axle with singles. But hey as long as the job gets done. What's it matter.

I will sure be able to add to Ken's knowledge after I get home Lord willing with the M 127 from Jersey. I am hoping my longer homemade version will accually trailer better and give me a little more backing control. I have backed doubles a hundred feet and a triple about ten but that is back when my eyes were better and if I had not done it I would have frozen my buns off in the truck bay having to keep the door open on a cold winter in the Berkshire mountains.

Hear ya there. I've backed doubles before, never triples. Although back in the good ole days...I do remember every now and then backing up a baler with a hay wagon hooked to the baler. I wonder if I could have done it with two wagons on the back??? Someday I will have a dolly or two. someday.

Any idea of how much weight is on the lunnette with out a load on the dolly. I may be able to get this dolly for a couple of hundred dollars, but can I mount it on the pintal hitch on my Armada, it's going to be a lot lower than the foot is going to match up with, I could use a jack if the weight is excessive, I guess!
James G.

I towed my M200A1 with my Suburban it was a chore to be sure but the trailers are not too partiular to having a low pintal for towing as long as you are not hauling anything too heavy. Take along a High lift jack to lower the lunette down to your reciver mount pintal. The whole dolly should only weigh about 2K at most and that is within a truck capability. I would never think of hauling the dolly with anything but my duece or bigger when it has the M 127 on it

If is an M197 total weight is around 2880 lbs. The weight on the lunette is 390 lbs. The front leg folds up, but the two pins that hold it in the raised position may be missing. A couple of ½” bolts about 12” long can substitute. It will help if you have a high hitch and a high lift jack will definitely come in handy.

Next time I visit my parents I am going to hit him up on the dolly, he is also supposed to have a half track some where on the property. In a couple of months I will have better photos.
James G.