• Steel Soldiers now has a few new forums, read more about it at: New Munitions Forums!

  • Microsoft MSN, Live, Hotmail, Outlook email users may not be receiving emails. We are working to resolve this issue. Please add support@steelsoldiers.com to your trusted contacts.

 

Duals with flipped hubs

D

DanielC

New member
16
1
3
Location
Varnville sc
Whats up guys... the deuce i just bought has the rear hubs flipped and is running stock wheels in single configuration. I want to put the duals back on it but thinking about putting them on without flipping the hubs back around...not worried about width but want to make sure I won't hurt anything by running stock duals in single configuration on rear... thanks in advance
 
tie6044

tie6044

Active member
Steel Soldiers Supporter
860
42
28
Location
Blaine, MN
You can do it but it is harder on the bearings, puts more stress on them. But I'm guessing if your not worried about width you probably aren't driving on the road much if at all.
 
D

DanielC

New member
16
1
3
Location
Varnville sc
I do some road riding and some off road... just looks funny with the 900x20 tires in single configuration... going to do the axle wheels seals on the rear this weekend so trying to decide if I should flip the hubs back and run duals or keep singles for now until if find some larger singles and rims... any input?
 
tie6044

tie6044

Active member
Steel Soldiers Supporter
860
42
28
Location
Blaine, MN
If you're going to run duals flip the hubs back around. I'm sure you'll be way over legal width otherwise and yes it looks goofy the 9.00's singled out. I guess decide what tire you want to run and flip the hubs accordingly. I've got a deuce with 46's with the hubs flipped out and another on 11.00 G177's dual with the hubs in.
 
dmetalmiki

dmetalmiki

Well-known member
5,523
2,026
113
Location
London England
The doubles on a single configuration look ridiculous..and, are way out too far to be legal.
So, you want to off road?.
Look up any road test or report, (And) the single wheel configurations beat the doubles every time.
So people comment that lookes? What?. As you sail past the guy (s) stuck in the mud!. Sand or midden.
I would never ever consider changing the configuration of my G.M.C. M135
((Kraz, Ural. Zill, Kamaz..)),(Which beat all).
 
D

DanielC

New member
16
1
3
Location
Varnville sc
Thanks guys... I think I will just keep the 900 singles right now until I find some 1100 or 395 85 20 on rims and order adapters... won't be doing any serious off roading until I get my winch installed
 
tobyS

tobyS

Well-known member
4,820
815
113
Location
IN
Let me get this clear, the hubs are set up with the flange in the wide position for duels but you have one half budd dual on it and no outer wheel. As opposed to the flange set up in the narrow position, flange against the drum......which I don't think will accept the budd with the dish in. Correct me as it seems you just add the other budd to have OEM setup.

The (rear) singles with dish out need the flange narrow, against the drum. My A3 has the wide setup and dish in mounting for the singles. I will be "flipping" (putting flange against drum) to go to dish out....wide but in legal limit. Can't mount dish out in the wide position....gets too wide and bad on bearings. My A3 wheels are 11".

Personally I like the 11.00 rear dual budds and the A3 wheels with 365 on the front.
 
Last edited:
D

DanielC

New member
16
1
3
Location
Varnville sc
I do like the duals but the super single look good and seem to perform better based on the majority of threads on here... does anyone near south Carolina have a set of 7 395-85r20 wheels and tires in good condition for sale? Don't want to drive too far to get them but will go to GA or NC if need be
 
D

DanielC

New member
16
1
3
Location
Varnville sc
And I have 22 9.00x20 wheels and tires right now in decent shape... im going to keep 11 of them just in case but I would sell the other 11 if anyone is interested... never been regrooved
 
Recovry4x4

Recovry4x4

LLM/Member 785
Super Moderator
Steel Soldiers Supporter
34,014
1,814
113
Location
GA Mountains
tobyS said:
Let me get this clear, the hubs are set up with the flange in the wide position for duels but you have one half budd dual on it and no outer wheel. As opposed to the flange set up in the narrow position, flange against the drum......which I don't think will accept the budd with the dish in. Correct me as it seems you just add the other budd to have OEM setup.

The (rear) singles with dish out need the flange narrow, against the drum. My A3 has the wide setup and dish in mounting for the singles. I will be "flipping" (putting flange against drum) to go to dish out....wide but in legal limit. Can't mount dish out in the wide position....gets too wide and bad on bearings. My A3 wheels are 11".

Personally I like the 11.00 rear dual budds and the A3 wheels with 365 on the front.
Click to expand...
Flange out is the proper setup for running singles whether it be 9.00X20 or 14.5R20 such as the A3. The flange needs to be inward to run duals on the rear and keep them under the bed. If you plan on flipping your A3 rims to dish in, plan on purchasing the special chamfer tool so that you can chamfer the inside of the lug holes. Unlike a 5 ton that are chamfered on both sides, the A3 rims are not. Member Dirt71 encountered this a great number of years ago when A3s were just coming out.
 
tobyS

tobyS

Well-known member
4,820
815
113
Location
IN
Here is my A3 rear wheel and the axle removed. The standard position is with the wheel dish in and the hub in the wide position as shown in the photo.

Yes, to turn the wheel to dish out, the bolt holes need chamfer but the hub needs turned also so the flange is in the narrow position. Photo is standard hub position for single on the A3 or budd duals.

It sounded like the OP has the hub flange wide, like in the photo, running with a budd, dish in, as a single. But yea, photos would help.

After other projects, mine will get flipped....and all 5 wheels chamfered.

By the way, I have 2 spare A3 rims with reasonable 14.5's....like for front.
 

Attachments

Recovry4x4

Recovry4x4

LLM/Member 785
Super Moderator
Steel Soldiers Supporter
34,014
1,814
113
Location
GA Mountains
tobyS said:
Yes, to turn the wheel to dish out, the bolt holes need chamfer but the hub needs turned also so the flange is in the narrow position. Photo is standard hub position for single on the A3 or budd duals.
Click to expand...
Your data is incorrect here. The flange out is for singles whether it be A3 or 900x20 singles on a budd dual rim. Moving the flange in is where it is required to be to run duals. If you add duals to the flange out position, your rear axle is going to be nearly 9' wide at the outside of the outer tires.
 
tobyS

tobyS

Well-known member
4,820
815
113
Location
IN
Recovry4x4 said:
Your data is incorrect here. The flange out is for singles whether it be A3 or 900x20 singles on a budd dual rim. Moving the flange in is where it is required to be to run duals. If you add duals to the flange out position, your rear axle is going to be nearly 9' wide at the outside of the outer tires.
Click to expand...
To have the dish out (rear) with my A3 wheels, the hub needs turned to the narrow position. Bearing is in proper position then, about center of the tire. The "standard" position is not dish out on the A3, it is dish in, as shown. Putting the hub at the wide position and dish out is not correct.

I always thought the duals needed to be set hub wide, but will concede to the duals needing the narrow position. Still.....what does the OP have....it's not so clear.

Okay...reread the OP and he seems to be saying he is using the wide hub setting, as my picture, but with a budd used as single....dish in. Myself, I don't care for the dish in look on the rear, but it would appear to about center the (one) tire on the bearings.
 
Last edited:
m715mike

m715mike

Well-known member
2,797
3,821
113
Location
Montgomery, Texas
Recovry4x4 said:
The flange out is for singles whether it be A3 or 900x20 singles on a budd dual rim. Moving the flange in is where it is required to be to run duals.
Click to expand...
Does any one have a picture that shows two hubs side-by-side, one with the flange out and the other with the flange in?
 
davidb56

davidb56

Well-known member
1,020
1,237
113
Location
Bonners Ferry Idaho
I
tobyS said:
To have the dish out (rear) with my A3 wheels, the hub needs turned to the narrow position. Bearing is in proper position then, about center of the tire. The "standard" position is not dish out on the A3, it is dish in, as shown. Putting the hub at the wide position and dish out is not correct.

I always thought the duals needed to be set hub wide, but will concede to the duals needing the narrow position. Still.....what does the OP have....it's not so clear.

Okay...reread the OP and he seems to be saying he is using the wide hub setting, as my picture, but with a budd used as single....dish in. Myself, I don't care for the dish in look on the rear, but it would appear to about center the (one) tire on the bearings.
Click to expand...
Im curious if I could run my 11/20's as singles, with stock hub setting (not flipped) in the winter, then duals in the summer. since I have to chain up for winter time and I can only chain the outside tires because the 3 ring chains would hit the trunion.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
108,276members
163,600threads
2,302,051posts
1,771online users
Top
✖
AdBlock Detected

We get it, advertisements are annoying!

Sure, ad-blocking software does a great job at blocking ads, but it also blocks useful features of our website like our supporting vendors. Their ads help keep Steel Soldiers going. Please consider disabling your ad blockers for the site. Thanks!

I've Disabled AdBlock
No Thanks