60 Minutes has a story of military vehicle accidents. Tonight NOW west coast.

Hummwv roll overs too.

TV and and a beer, CAMO

Why do they call it 60 minutes when it has 20 minutes of commercials? Welcome to 40 minutes at night! I guess 60 sounds better.
I hate when they cover stuff like this. Nobody cares about the border and I will guarantee it’s killed more people than military vehicles…

Is this about active military or civy ownership?

Mogman said:

Is this about active military or civy ownership?

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I’m sure whatever it is it will end with “ and these are being sold to individuals and used on public roads!

Maxjeep1 said:

I’m sure whatever it is it will end with “ and these are being sold to individuals and used on public roads!

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In military service and the deaths with little explanation, failed maintenance and training...etc. Lot of money going to the HMMWV fleet to make it safe. Story is a repeat from 5 months ago. First time for me. I found it here >
Nothing said about surplus sales... But some company got a good deal on reto-fits / upgrades. See last quarter of show for HMMWV.

Be careful thinking out loud. I think I hear the ticking sound, CAMO

Milcommoguy said:

In military service and the deaths with little explanation, failed maintenance and training...etc. Lot of money going to the HMMWV fleet to make it safe. Story is a repeat from 5 months ago. First time for me. I found it here >

Nothing said about surplus sales... But some company got a good deal on reto-fits / upgrades. See last quarter for HMMWV.

Be careful thinking out loud, CAMO

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Sad, I watched a thing where amphibious vehicle sank because it was old and not maintained. Good men died for no reason! I’m all for exposing stuff like that!

Gee, did 60 minutes run out of material on how our guns need to be confiscated?

Is there room for people after installing all that hardware???

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I have posted that a half a dozen times. Then some here will be looking for the 85 MPH speedometer.

I am nervous at 45 MPH. Wait for me. I'll see you when I get there, CAMO

Milcommoguy said:

I have posted that a half a dozen times. Then some here will be looking for the 85 MPH speedometer.

I am nervous at 45 MPH. Wait for me. I'll see you when I get there, CAMO

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It's hard -- but not impossible -- to roll your HMMWV.

The roll over, while unlikely doesn't seem to be any worse then a mid 80's Jeep (soft-top) either. These things were designed with different requirements than a modern vehicle.

I agree, I wouldn't drive mine anywhere near 85 MPH! But 55? I'm comfortable with it on dry known roads.

Woosies!

mgFray said:

The roll over, while unlikely doesn't seem to be any worse then a mid 80's Jeep (soft-top) either. These things were designed with different requirements than a modern vehicle.

I agree, I wouldn't drive mine anywhere near 85 MPH! But 55? I'm comfortable with it on dry known roads.

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The video rollover where the thing disintegrates is at 45mph.
This is all new to me but just a bit of research shows that its not that hard to roll a HMMWV. High center of gravity.
I think more people need to be fully aware of what they are buying and driving. Its a cool vehicle but has 1960's tin can safety technology.
Definitely not worth dying in one. Its best everyone is fully aware that the limits that the HMMWV they are getting into are far lower than what they are used to on a daily basis.

The uparmored trucks, or trucks with turrets and weapons mounted on them are higher center of gravity.

The plain version with soft top and soft doors has the center of gravity pretty darned low for how wide it is.

60 degree up/downhill and 40 degrees side hill are pretty good.

GTUnit said:

The video rollover where the thing disintegrates is at 45mph.
This is all new to me but just a bit of research shows that its not that hard to roll a HMMWV. High center of gravity.
I think more people need to be fully aware of what they are buying and driving. Its a cool vehicle but has 1960's tin can safety technology.
Definitely not worth dying in one. Its best everyone is fully aware that the limits that the HMMWV they are getting into are far lower than what they are used to on a daily basis.

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I think we're basically saying the same thing. You need to be aware of the vehicle and it's capabilities. It's NOT a modern vehicle with modern safety features. (My 1988 definitely has a LOWER center of gravity then some 1980's Jeeps I've driven, but....) I'd say this is very much 1982 technology.

My 1967 Jeep doesn't even HAVE a rollbar, my HMMWV has something -- even if it's not great [based on the video]. While my old Jeep will drive over 55, I won't drive over 55 in it for that reason.

Going back to the video, it talks about ROPS on the armored units. Did that ever make it into production, or was it just an exercise for the video? My tractor has ROPS (roll-over protection system) hoop and from tractor videos I've seen it does an amazing job, as long as the occupant was using it and the seatbelt was on to keep them from flying out of the vehicle.

On the up-armored HMMWVs, between the armor helping to hold together the cabin, and the ROPS stiffening the roof/frame connection it would be a potentially severe injury instead of death, so you've pretty much moved into 1990's technology.

Coug said:

The uparmored trucks, or trucks with turrets and weapons mounted on them are higher center of gravity.

The plain version with soft top and soft doors has the center of gravity pretty darned low for how wide it is.

60 degree up/downhill and 40 degrees side hill are pretty good.

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My posts or rants on this subject is informative and from my perspective. Not looking to be the buzz kill...You guys do you.

As GTUnit points out, 45 mph, truck hit a ? ramp...controlled roll and it comes apart like a rag doll just sends shivers throughout. Should have put the test dummies in there to drive the point home. I didn't need them.

Then "out and about in the HUMMWV," I also read... new to HMMWV, want to put 40" bad boys on, the need to pass the guy at 90 on the interstate and not checking critical components that hold the wheels on. Video only took 5 seconds to go from a HMMWV to scrap.

I remember when some yahoo pulled out in front and I slammed on the brakes. Those 37's BARKED all the way to a stop saving our butts. That's at 45 MPH. Double that and there's a good chance you would not be reading this.

It's just me, slow and know your parts that hold it all together.

HMMWV built as a war machine? Who's in that big of a hurry to get to a war or the store? CAMO Cranky rant OFF. LOL

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Going back to the video, it talks about ROPS on the armored units. Did that ever make it into production, or was it just an exercise for the video? My tractor has ROPS (roll-over protection system) hoop and from tractor videos I've seen it does an amazing job, as long as the occupant was using it and the seatbelt was on to keep them from flying out of the vehicle.

On the up-armored HMMWVs, between the armor helping to hold together the cabin, and the ROPS stiffening the roof/frame connection it would be a potentially severe injury instead of death, so you've pretty much moved into 1990's technology.

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My immediate though when seeing that disaster of a test is that if I wanted to keep one of these things and drive it that the prudent thing to do would be to install a full welded safety cage. MVTR has a 5 point harness. These things should too if you are really using it.

Everyone wants a 4 speed transmission to go faster, but my m1151 with a 4 speed still has a sticker that says top speed is 55mph. Apparently the 4th speed is just there to keep your RPM's lower (or I suppose you might exceed 55mph if people are shooting at you.)

My plan is to inspect all the spindle nuts, have good tires, keep runflats installed, keep the stock wheels so as to not change backspacing, and not exceed 55mph.

Also having good driving habits and allowing enough distance between vehicles can help prevent a panic steer, which I suspect is a common cause of rollovers.

I think someone was trying to sell an upgrade, I remember very well all about the chevy pickup fuel tank BS hoax shown on I think 60 min. they rigged that truck every-way to Sunday so it would be spectacular, I have seen MANY more examples of that kind of BS over the years,,, everything I see I put it through a BS filter first because it usually is.
I would put money they pulled every bolt and cut as much through everything they could and have it not just fall apart just sitting there.
THERE IN NO DOUBT THEY HAD AN AGENDA