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Ok yet another filter thread but this is the end of the road for mine... Due to the numerous threads on the subject and their bouncing back and fourth about methods, ideas and thoughts Im starting a new one rather than trying to pick up in the tail end of something else...
Let me start with a recap... I have been researching and chasing down numbers now for about 10 or so months in regards to putting spin on filters on a deuce... I've spoken to about everyone under the sun in regards to flows, filtration rate, LD design, stock filters, why, whom ,when how and what... Adding a spin on adapter to the current housing was the first line of thought but after considering start up pressures, drain back, etc I decided I wanted a remote filter set up. I also knew about how I wanted to build it but I also wanted to make sure that what I did was an improvement to the trucks life, longevity and over all well being more so that just a easy way for me to spin a filter on and off.
In looking into new filter technology it was a no brainier for me to choose the new class of over the road truck filters, with out getting overly anal and with out quoting number after number I figured out I could very easily improve the trucks stock filtration quality by more than 3 times and extend the filter life more than 10 times...
Shortly afterwards I went looking for a way to put one of these filters to the test on a diesel... It just so happened a newly purchased Kubota gen set which became the test bed for seeing what was possible. Running the gen set 24 hours a day over a few months straight I was able to get some really good oil testing results... Service intervals were recommended at 100 hours... The first oil change was done somewhere around 680-700 hours and lab testing showed even with engine break in happening I still didn't need to change the oil. Next test was 1000 hours later... again testing showed I didn't need to change the oil... The gen set was ran about another 700 hours and parked as it had served it purpose so no other testing was done but being able to go 1000 hours and still be good on oil changes and with 2400 hours on only two oil changes was proof enough for me that I was on the right track.
How to plumb the set up was a question that I wrestled over for a long time... I had considered a lot of options but I had also received a lot of request for design help, kit building and the likes. Over time my focus started to change from how am I going to do my truck? too how am I going to build an affordable kit that anyone would be able to install? That took some thinking, planning, a lot of questions and "what if's" being sent through emails and PM's... I wanted to make sure what I was doing would satisfy the majority but still leave flexibility for the guys whom wanted to go bullet proof and also make sure Joe Deuce weekend mechanic extraordinaire could be just as happy... that took some time...
I have had the remote kit parts done for some time now with a few errors and spoofs here and there. A few weeks ago I asked Bjorn if we would be willing to test a prototype unit for me and he agreed. Up until now I had kept pretty quiet about it because I didn't want anyone bugging him about doing what he is doing, how ever since he was ok with posting it in another thread I will go ahead and start explaining. I know a lot of people have asked me to prototype this but I approached Bjorn on doing this for several reasons... First was I thought it to be unfair for myself to do the testing, its my kit, my work, my doing, of course I am going to be bias. Second... Bjorn is some what opposed to the idea of installing a remote filter kit, he is in no way a supporter of the idea and prefers the school of thought on pre lube and bypass filtration. (im not knocking the benefits of ether method) Third and most importantly... Bjorn is well known in the community for his technical knowledge, ability to collect data, test ideas, evaluate things fully and objectively all while pulling pages out of TM's that mother Mary and the holly ghost themselves couldn't find. Lastly he is great at writing and is good with photo documenting his work...
As I said before I wanted to have something that would make both Mr. Fabricator and Joe Deuce happy so I came up with the idea of having two kits. One is complete with cut down canisters, the other very basic with just the fittings and base. I thought this would allow the fabrication people the option of going with hydraulic hose, AN fittings, SS braded, saving a few $ buy cutting their own canisters and installing the parts how they wanted with out having to spend the extra money on stuff they wouldn't use. On the other side of the coin I really wanted to put emphasis on Joe Deuce because most of our members I've spoken with over the past few months wanted the option of a turn key, drop in, common hand tool type installation... Kinda challenging to meet those requirements as I really like things to be as bullet proof as possible and that usually requires a lot of fab work, even just to do an install... I spent a lot of time getting hose samples and looking at fittings before I made the choices I have... I wanted to make sure the job was a few hours at most... I know that everyone is busy and has tons of stuff to do so this really needed to be fit in on a Saturday afternoon in between mowing the grass and hanging pictures to keep the wife happy type thing wit no trips to the parts store.... and lastly...
I sleep very little as is... I am constantly doing something and am very much a workaholic... I didn't want to produce something that would keep me up at night sweating bullets over failures, bad design, people having issues, etc... If I am going to stake my name on something I needs to be worthy of it!!! Small community, even smaller world, I don't care if people dislike me for being me as a person but I don't want to have the reputation I've seen a few others develop in the community over poor product quality... I kinda like being able to show my face!
Ok.. Down to the kits themselves... First the basic kit...
This kit includes the following parts...
Canister bolt adapters (1) "in" and (1) "out" (pic 2) ether bolt can go into ether canister hole but one is specifically made to be "in flow" and one is specifically made to be "out flow"
1 filter base... These bases are the only compatible bases that I have been able to find being produced in the world (and I have looked high and low) which will fit a LDT's needs and have the proper flow capability with the proper filter size required to run only one filter. This subject has been debated and beat like a dead horse, I don't care what Sir button pusher on the other end of the phone at Baldwin or Wix says while staring at their computer monitor, go buy the parts and please prove me wrong. I would love to find a cheaper source for bases!!!
The kit does not include fittings, canister cutting, hoses, clamps, or filter... This way you can buy the hose type and fitting you want and install them however you want.
The complete kit... This was a challenge to make for a common "hand tool" install in mind.
This kit includes everything needed...
Fasteners.. 3/8 X 1" bolts, flat washers and lock nuts.
Hose (80 inches) enough for several mounting options and locations.
Clamps (4)
Hose retainers (2) for grouping hose together.
Filter base (1)
Lower canister gaskets (2)
fittings, brass (2) 1/2 X 1/2 90's and (2) 1/2 x 3/4 90's
Reducers for the base (2) 1 X 3/4
Filter (1) Wix 51792XD
Cut canister bases (2)
To test the install time on this kit (because I am always accused of having it easy with a shop to work in) I pull my truck on the other side of the parking lot out in the sun and walked back and fourth to get everything needed. Granted I knew what I was doing but the total time was 1.25 hours. I would say the average guy could do it in well under 3 hours taking his time and filling in one or two "honey do's" in the process.
Component specifics...
Fasteners... Grade 8 PAI hardware with nylon self locking nuts.
Hose... Weatherhead H20112 250 working and 1000 burst psi ratings
Clamps... Stainless steel marine rated hose clamps (exactly the right length needed)
Hose retainers... #18 T type
Filter base... 1.5 16 tpi cast billet machined
Lower canister gaskets... Wix 15119 (same as the stock gaskets)
Fittings... Forged brass.
Reducers.... Standard pipe thread type
Filter... I am choosing to use the 1792XD version because they offer the best possible engine protection and longest life out of all of the filters available on the market. These things are pricy but offer an incredibly long life as they are rated for 40,000 miles in over the road trucks with synthetic oils and are one of the few filters which are rated for 8 micron. My earlier mentioned testing with this filters showed them to be a amazing improvement in technology and I would not suggest going through the trouble of installing the kit and not using them... Standard filters would be 51792 Wix and Baldwin B99 as well as others. This is a commonly available over the road filter which one can find locally with out problems.
Cut bases... I have received a pile of email and PM's about this because most would prefer not to be left with the task of cutting a 5" diameter tube straight. So I decided that I would offer this service for free with a kit purchase and have devised an exchange program so no one is waiting via shipping to me, me cutting, and shipping back to you. I have purchased a stock of filter canisters to cut down which will ship out with the kits, when you install you kit you send me back you stock cans so that I can cut them down and recycle them in the mix. To afford this option I have worked out tacking on a core charge to cover the cost of buying and shipping in replacement cans. If you wish to retain your stock cans you may do so and forfeit the core charge being returned. In addition to cutting the length I am also machining the top gasket area straight. Being that these cans were stamped out of sheet metal they give a poor sealing area on the top by the bolt head. I am making this straighter and wider giving the gasket and bolt head a full contact area.
Lastly on the kits... I have both kits available with a dual filter base. These are not cheap items to obtain and require a few different fittings than the above listed parts. They are also not small... mounting options are limited to your firewall in front of the driver. I will post more info to anyone that wants and I have a few of these bases in stock but for now I am primarily working with the single kits and when you get the filter in your hands you will know why!!!
The pictures below are of my truck and might be a little deceiving as I don't use a floor mounted high beam switch and I have no room under the hood for mounting anything else. The filter assembly is large but will fit horizontally on the inside of the fender. I personally prefer mounting it as low as possible and outside of the cab as it makes servicing much easier so my suggested location would be horizontally under the cab bolted through the floor (pictured 013). A vertical mount in the wheel well is possible but I don't like to clearance if you do any type of off roading it could be an issue. Mounting it on the fire wall in front of the driver is another possibility but I have power steering and brake hose galore up there on mine.
As for performance, pressure, and start up pressure times... Im tickled to death with what I am seeing but I will leave the numbers to Bjorn to post in his own time.
I know... how much and when? I will not release these until Bjorn has the chance to go over the whole process. I have the parts in stock but do not want to get into a situation of having problems or having to send out revisions. He may come back and nominate me for the 2007 SS idiot award so whom knows.
Another announcement... I am going into the MV parts business. Products such as the filter kits, bypass kits, coolant filter kits, bumper racks, over head consoles, 12V high output add on alternators, wheels (maybe tires) and a lot of the other mods' many have seen done on my truck or someone else's for those whom don't have the time or tooling to do themselves. Where as I will be concentrating on building specialty products for MV's I will be carrying the standard high wear replacement parts, filters, belts, electrical parts, lighting, etc... My goal is to be 100% on line and automated with secure SSL shopping, no goofy order forms, no faxing, no eBay, no calling and being put on hold, no bland lists of parts but real images, product descriptions that make sense, NSN cross references and even aftermarket PN's so if you cant wait on it you can just drive over to Napa and get it, and open 24/7 ...
I am doing this because I wanted to be able to sell my own products but the cost to only selling 15 or twenty specialty items and having a fully functional on line store is not exactly profitable... EBay has become such a nightmare, most of the industries vendors cater to large dealers, local or federal governments, are not on line, don't always make it so easy to get an order into and are horribly over priced. Or have done a great job of carving themselves out a reputation which makes people very leery of buying from them.
It will take another few weeks of working behind the scenes to get things fully functional but I think everyone will be pleased with the offering... and if not.. im gonna starve to death! LOL
Let me start with a recap... I have been researching and chasing down numbers now for about 10 or so months in regards to putting spin on filters on a deuce... I've spoken to about everyone under the sun in regards to flows, filtration rate, LD design, stock filters, why, whom ,when how and what... Adding a spin on adapter to the current housing was the first line of thought but after considering start up pressures, drain back, etc I decided I wanted a remote filter set up. I also knew about how I wanted to build it but I also wanted to make sure that what I did was an improvement to the trucks life, longevity and over all well being more so that just a easy way for me to spin a filter on and off.
In looking into new filter technology it was a no brainier for me to choose the new class of over the road truck filters, with out getting overly anal and with out quoting number after number I figured out I could very easily improve the trucks stock filtration quality by more than 3 times and extend the filter life more than 10 times...
Shortly afterwards I went looking for a way to put one of these filters to the test on a diesel... It just so happened a newly purchased Kubota gen set which became the test bed for seeing what was possible. Running the gen set 24 hours a day over a few months straight I was able to get some really good oil testing results... Service intervals were recommended at 100 hours... The first oil change was done somewhere around 680-700 hours and lab testing showed even with engine break in happening I still didn't need to change the oil. Next test was 1000 hours later... again testing showed I didn't need to change the oil... The gen set was ran about another 700 hours and parked as it had served it purpose so no other testing was done but being able to go 1000 hours and still be good on oil changes and with 2400 hours on only two oil changes was proof enough for me that I was on the right track.
How to plumb the set up was a question that I wrestled over for a long time... I had considered a lot of options but I had also received a lot of request for design help, kit building and the likes. Over time my focus started to change from how am I going to do my truck? too how am I going to build an affordable kit that anyone would be able to install? That took some thinking, planning, a lot of questions and "what if's" being sent through emails and PM's... I wanted to make sure what I was doing would satisfy the majority but still leave flexibility for the guys whom wanted to go bullet proof and also make sure Joe Deuce weekend mechanic extraordinaire could be just as happy... that took some time...
I have had the remote kit parts done for some time now with a few errors and spoofs here and there. A few weeks ago I asked Bjorn if we would be willing to test a prototype unit for me and he agreed. Up until now I had kept pretty quiet about it because I didn't want anyone bugging him about doing what he is doing, how ever since he was ok with posting it in another thread I will go ahead and start explaining. I know a lot of people have asked me to prototype this but I approached Bjorn on doing this for several reasons... First was I thought it to be unfair for myself to do the testing, its my kit, my work, my doing, of course I am going to be bias. Second... Bjorn is some what opposed to the idea of installing a remote filter kit, he is in no way a supporter of the idea and prefers the school of thought on pre lube and bypass filtration. (im not knocking the benefits of ether method) Third and most importantly... Bjorn is well known in the community for his technical knowledge, ability to collect data, test ideas, evaluate things fully and objectively all while pulling pages out of TM's that mother Mary and the holly ghost themselves couldn't find. Lastly he is great at writing and is good with photo documenting his work...
As I said before I wanted to have something that would make both Mr. Fabricator and Joe Deuce happy so I came up with the idea of having two kits. One is complete with cut down canisters, the other very basic with just the fittings and base. I thought this would allow the fabrication people the option of going with hydraulic hose, AN fittings, SS braded, saving a few $ buy cutting their own canisters and installing the parts how they wanted with out having to spend the extra money on stuff they wouldn't use. On the other side of the coin I really wanted to put emphasis on Joe Deuce because most of our members I've spoken with over the past few months wanted the option of a turn key, drop in, common hand tool type installation... Kinda challenging to meet those requirements as I really like things to be as bullet proof as possible and that usually requires a lot of fab work, even just to do an install... I spent a lot of time getting hose samples and looking at fittings before I made the choices I have... I wanted to make sure the job was a few hours at most... I know that everyone is busy and has tons of stuff to do so this really needed to be fit in on a Saturday afternoon in between mowing the grass and hanging pictures to keep the wife happy type thing wit no trips to the parts store.... and lastly...
I sleep very little as is... I am constantly doing something and am very much a workaholic... I didn't want to produce something that would keep me up at night sweating bullets over failures, bad design, people having issues, etc... If I am going to stake my name on something I needs to be worthy of it!!! Small community, even smaller world, I don't care if people dislike me for being me as a person but I don't want to have the reputation I've seen a few others develop in the community over poor product quality... I kinda like being able to show my face!
Ok.. Down to the kits themselves... First the basic kit...
This kit includes the following parts...
Canister bolt adapters (1) "in" and (1) "out" (pic 2) ether bolt can go into ether canister hole but one is specifically made to be "in flow" and one is specifically made to be "out flow"
1 filter base... These bases are the only compatible bases that I have been able to find being produced in the world (and I have looked high and low) which will fit a LDT's needs and have the proper flow capability with the proper filter size required to run only one filter. This subject has been debated and beat like a dead horse, I don't care what Sir button pusher on the other end of the phone at Baldwin or Wix says while staring at their computer monitor, go buy the parts and please prove me wrong. I would love to find a cheaper source for bases!!!
The kit does not include fittings, canister cutting, hoses, clamps, or filter... This way you can buy the hose type and fitting you want and install them however you want.
The complete kit... This was a challenge to make for a common "hand tool" install in mind.
This kit includes everything needed...
Fasteners.. 3/8 X 1" bolts, flat washers and lock nuts.
Hose (80 inches) enough for several mounting options and locations.
Clamps (4)
Hose retainers (2) for grouping hose together.
Filter base (1)
Lower canister gaskets (2)
fittings, brass (2) 1/2 X 1/2 90's and (2) 1/2 x 3/4 90's
Reducers for the base (2) 1 X 3/4
Filter (1) Wix 51792XD
Cut canister bases (2)
To test the install time on this kit (because I am always accused of having it easy with a shop to work in) I pull my truck on the other side of the parking lot out in the sun and walked back and fourth to get everything needed. Granted I knew what I was doing but the total time was 1.25 hours. I would say the average guy could do it in well under 3 hours taking his time and filling in one or two "honey do's" in the process.
Component specifics...
Fasteners... Grade 8 PAI hardware with nylon self locking nuts.
Hose... Weatherhead H20112 250 working and 1000 burst psi ratings
Clamps... Stainless steel marine rated hose clamps (exactly the right length needed)
Hose retainers... #18 T type
Filter base... 1.5 16 tpi cast billet machined
Lower canister gaskets... Wix 15119 (same as the stock gaskets)
Fittings... Forged brass.
Reducers.... Standard pipe thread type
Filter... I am choosing to use the 1792XD version because they offer the best possible engine protection and longest life out of all of the filters available on the market. These things are pricy but offer an incredibly long life as they are rated for 40,000 miles in over the road trucks with synthetic oils and are one of the few filters which are rated for 8 micron. My earlier mentioned testing with this filters showed them to be a amazing improvement in technology and I would not suggest going through the trouble of installing the kit and not using them... Standard filters would be 51792 Wix and Baldwin B99 as well as others. This is a commonly available over the road filter which one can find locally with out problems.
Cut bases... I have received a pile of email and PM's about this because most would prefer not to be left with the task of cutting a 5" diameter tube straight. So I decided that I would offer this service for free with a kit purchase and have devised an exchange program so no one is waiting via shipping to me, me cutting, and shipping back to you. I have purchased a stock of filter canisters to cut down which will ship out with the kits, when you install you kit you send me back you stock cans so that I can cut them down and recycle them in the mix. To afford this option I have worked out tacking on a core charge to cover the cost of buying and shipping in replacement cans. If you wish to retain your stock cans you may do so and forfeit the core charge being returned. In addition to cutting the length I am also machining the top gasket area straight. Being that these cans were stamped out of sheet metal they give a poor sealing area on the top by the bolt head. I am making this straighter and wider giving the gasket and bolt head a full contact area.
Lastly on the kits... I have both kits available with a dual filter base. These are not cheap items to obtain and require a few different fittings than the above listed parts. They are also not small... mounting options are limited to your firewall in front of the driver. I will post more info to anyone that wants and I have a few of these bases in stock but for now I am primarily working with the single kits and when you get the filter in your hands you will know why!!!
The pictures below are of my truck and might be a little deceiving as I don't use a floor mounted high beam switch and I have no room under the hood for mounting anything else. The filter assembly is large but will fit horizontally on the inside of the fender. I personally prefer mounting it as low as possible and outside of the cab as it makes servicing much easier so my suggested location would be horizontally under the cab bolted through the floor (pictured 013). A vertical mount in the wheel well is possible but I don't like to clearance if you do any type of off roading it could be an issue. Mounting it on the fire wall in front of the driver is another possibility but I have power steering and brake hose galore up there on mine.
As for performance, pressure, and start up pressure times... Im tickled to death with what I am seeing but I will leave the numbers to Bjorn to post in his own time.
I know... how much and when? I will not release these until Bjorn has the chance to go over the whole process. I have the parts in stock but do not want to get into a situation of having problems or having to send out revisions. He may come back and nominate me for the 2007 SS idiot award so whom knows.
Another announcement... I am going into the MV parts business. Products such as the filter kits, bypass kits, coolant filter kits, bumper racks, over head consoles, 12V high output add on alternators, wheels (maybe tires) and a lot of the other mods' many have seen done on my truck or someone else's for those whom don't have the time or tooling to do themselves. Where as I will be concentrating on building specialty products for MV's I will be carrying the standard high wear replacement parts, filters, belts, electrical parts, lighting, etc... My goal is to be 100% on line and automated with secure SSL shopping, no goofy order forms, no faxing, no eBay, no calling and being put on hold, no bland lists of parts but real images, product descriptions that make sense, NSN cross references and even aftermarket PN's so if you cant wait on it you can just drive over to Napa and get it, and open 24/7 ...
I am doing this because I wanted to be able to sell my own products but the cost to only selling 15 or twenty specialty items and having a fully functional on line store is not exactly profitable... EBay has become such a nightmare, most of the industries vendors cater to large dealers, local or federal governments, are not on line, don't always make it so easy to get an order into and are horribly over priced. Or have done a great job of carving themselves out a reputation which makes people very leery of buying from them.
It will take another few weeks of working behind the scenes to get things fully functional but I think everyone will be pleased with the offering... and if not.. im gonna starve to death! LOL
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