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    Quote Originally Posted by L1A1 View Post
    That's a nice project you've got there! I thought the dragoons used the same powerpack that was in the M113(A1?) and the axles were from the 800 series 5 tons? Was thinking that the designers tried to use as much "off the shelf" components as possible to entice the army into buying. Smart thinking if it's true.
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    That would make sense on all kinds of levels.

    So much so, that it's probably NOT true.
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    In this specific vehicle, Engine, Transmission, and Axles, are all interchangeable with the 5 tons. That's why I say it won't be difficult to get a replacement. The operator's controls inside, are from the M113/M114 Family. The Diesel engine specifically was used because when this family of vehicles was being introduced, is the same time period in which the U.S. Military was deliberately going to ALL Diesel Engines for ALLLL purposes.

    And interchangability was the desginer's intent. Also, with the controls mimicking the M113/M114, the intent was that vehicle operators trained on one, would have no problems with the other. MODERN ASV's have different engines, drive train, operator's controls etc.

    CVC helmets with goggles, won't solve the bug problem. I'm not particularly fond of a grasshopper & Dragon Fly Diet. Crews in Viet Nam DID use AFH-1 and SPH-4 Helicopter Flight Helmets when they could get them from the aviation units. But seeing as how SPH-4's now run $150 or more,,, I think we'll stick with $20.00 steel pots and $2.00 Riot Control Shields. Plus the intercom system we are going to install, may or may not work with the boom mike of an SPH-4.
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    Any updates?

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    Regretfully, nothing has changed in status. Our primary use intent, and user plan, fell through. They were offered Surplussed USMC LAV's and South African Wheeled APC's (Ratel's?) So they didn't need our's. Also, the shop where we have the vehicle located, has been socked in with Contractual Work, which hasn't left them any time to work on it. We've considered sending it to another shop, but other life priorities have also had a part to play in our in-action.

    Recently, I've been contemplating all the ancillary/support costs that will be necessary when/if we we follow through with the restoration, Insurance, Towing/transport vehicles etc. And we're now leaning towards selling it, vs going through with the resto. We'll have made a final decision by August or September.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmedic View Post
    Recently, I've been contemplating all the ancillary/support costs that will be necessary when/if we we follow through with the restoration, Insurance, Towing/transport vehicles etc. And we're now leaning towards selling it, vs going through with the resto. We'll have made a final decision by August or September.
    Oh, man, I'm starting to tear-up over here...



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    MM, I hope it doesn't come to that.

    Minimum required headgear for all personnel in my V is a CVC helmet with ballistic-lens goggles. I actually shot a pair of those goggles with a .22 - left a gouge, but didn't penetrate, so I figure they'll deflect a rock, or a kamikaze dragonfly.

    I also made a redneck windshield for the V out of plexiglass, wood, and metal. It attaches onto the front of the hatch opening with C-clamps. It's not real pretty, but it's only on there while I'm actually driving, so as my dad would have said - "You won't see that from a trotting horse". Takes about 2 minutes to put on.

    The shield is tall enough to deflect the airflow up and over, taking bugs, etc. with it, but low enough that my sightline just clears the top, so I'm not looking through it except when ducking the odd pigeon-sized grasshopper here and there.
    It also deflects the icy blast of winter air over you, rather than straight into your face. "You live in Texas!!" I hear you say. True, and we had winter on a Thursday last year, but on the few days it's cold, it can be quite wintery (it was 13* a couple of days in January). If you happen to be driving 40 miles into Austin at 0600 to do a parade, when the air temp is 28, that wind can make a compelling argument.

    I have an original Cad-Gage hatch cover, but it is not an easy on-off affair, and it's not worth the effort for the brief times I'd use it. It's basically a box with a sloped front, windshield glass on front, sides and back, metal top. Even has a wiper! But I have agreed to give that to another V owner who has coveted it for some time, and for whom winter/rain is a serious fact of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M813rc View Post
    It also deflects the icy blast of winter air over you, rather than straight into your face. "You live in Texas!!" I hear you say. True, and we had winter on a Thursday last year, but on the few days it's cold, it can be quite wintery (it was 13* a couple of days in January). If you happen to be driving 40 miles into Austin at 0600 to do a parade, when the air temp is 28, that wind can make a compelling argument.


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    Madmedic - You've mentioned the Dragoon to me a couple of times, but I just found this thread today.

    Wow! You have one awesome vehicle. I'm sorry to read that you are contemplating a sale as opposed to a restoration!!
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