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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang1928 View Post
    I'm not going to argue with you. It's not worth my time. Have nice day and cut and paste the ebay link. Educate yourself...https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...books&_sacat=0
    You say you don't want to argue, its not worth your time, but here you are pulling up a 2 year old thread telling the CSM Davis his truck is not a gun truck. Then you send me a link to a book and tell me to educate myself. So this truck is not a gun truck either because it doesn't have armored cab and just a sheet of steel covering the window that is mounted to the LWS? What did they do before they had these armored cabs? They just didnt have gun trucks because a book says so??
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    Hi, I hope I can assist you in questions or concerns about gun trucks. I am no expert on Gun Trucks. My specialty/AFSC/MOS was helicopter maintenance. I did a bunch of research on Vietnam War gun trucks before I actually started work!on my own gun truck. My M35A2 "War Wagon", is built to replicate 2 1/2 ton gun trucks of that war. The construction of a gun truck from the Vietnam War was two fold. First, a task truck was removed from standard hauling duties and second, the truck was modified using, in most cases, locally procured armor and weaponry was used to make it into a "hardened vehicle" tasked with protecting convoys, work sites, base perimeter defense and anything else they were tasked with. Going forward to Desert Shield/Desert Storm and gun trucks, once again, were slapped together with whatever armor could be found. Did they haul regular cargo? I can't answer that but I suspect their cargo hauling was limited or eliminated so the crew could focus on its job, protecting our forces wherever and whenever they were needed. Bouncing up thru the years between DS/DS and the post 9/11 conflicts, I suspect the trucks were up-armored with locally procured armor and guns and sent out on the road. Now, what's the big deal? I don't see a problem calling the trucks in this thread gun trucks. If that is what they were called over there, then that's just the way it is. Every conflict has to relearn the mistakes of past conflicts, find solutions based on current technology and then implement solutions based on the threat levels in-theater. So, is the CSM's truck a gun truck? Based on its mission requirements and operational duties, I'd say yes, it's a gun truck.
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    3 each M35A2's 2 WO/W, 1 W/W:
    1972 M35A2 WO/W “Toys For Tots”, aka “Armadillo”
    1972 M35A2 WO/W “Tribute to Lt Col Ken Bourland”, aka “Warthog”
    1970 M35A2 W/W “War Wagon”, Vietnam War Gun Truck Tribute
    1 each M59 gasser dump truck
    2 each M211's 1 W/W, 1WO/W
    1 each M52A2 tractor
    1 each M1009
    1 each M37, with Dodge poly 318, hydraulic clutch
    1 each G506 Fire truck “Sparky”
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffhuey1n View Post
    Hi, I hope I can assist you in questions or concerns about gun trucks. I am no expert on Gun Trucks. My specialty/AFSC/MOS was helicopter maintenance. I did a bunch of research on Vietnam War gun trucks before I actually started work!on my own gun truck. My M35A2 "War Wagon", is built to replicate 2 1/2 ton gun trucks of that war. The construction of a gun truck from the Vietnam War was two fold. First, a task truck was removed from standard hauling duties and second, the truck was modified using, in most cases, locally procured armor and weaponry was used to make it into a "hardened vehicle" tasked with protecting convoys, work sites, base perimeter defense and anything else they were tasked with. Going forward to Desert Shield/Desert Storm and gun trucks, once again, were slapped together with whatever armor could be found. Did they haul regular cargo? I can't answer that but I suspect their cargo hauling was limited or eliminated so the crew could focus on its job, protecting our forces wherever and whenever they were needed. Bouncing up thru the years between DS/DS and the post 9/11 conflicts, I suspect the trucks were up-armored with locally procured armor and guns and sent out on the road. Now, what's the big deal? I don't see a problem calling the trucks in this thread gun trucks. If that is what they were called over there, then that's just the way it is. Every conflict has to relearn the mistakes of past conflicts, find solutions based on current technology and then implement solutions based on the threat levels in-theater. So, is the CSM's truck a gun truck? Based on its mission requirements and operational duties, I'd say yes, it's a gun truck.
    Your headed in the right direction with this thought and someone has done their homework as that gun box looks really good. Would love to see more pics. Ive been doing research on the transportation units in Vietnam since 1997 and your definition of "gun truck" is correct that a task vehicle is removed from hauling cargo and modified for the use of the "hardened concept" that was created in 1967 by Col. Joe Bellino. The term of gun truck does not fit to a truck that has its gun ring and a .50 Mounted on it with some light armor added to the cab. Now comes the Iraq war and a convoy gets ambushed and only one soldier survived, the veterans of the Vietnam war transportation units were outraged and could not believe that the lessons learned in Vietnam were forgotten by our military. A small group of vets worked hand in hand with Livermore Labs and a gun box was created to make the 2nd generation gun box.

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    Here's some pics:
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    3 each M35A2's 2 WO/W, 1 W/W:
    1972 M35A2 WO/W “Toys For Tots”, aka “Armadillo”
    1972 M35A2 WO/W “Tribute to Lt Col Ken Bourland”, aka “Warthog”
    1970 M35A2 W/W “War Wagon”, Vietnam War Gun Truck Tribute
    1 each M59 gasser dump truck
    2 each M211's 1 W/W, 1WO/W
    1 each M52A2 tractor
    1 each M1009
    1 each M37, with Dodge poly 318, hydraulic clutch
    1 each G506 Fire truck “Sparky”
    USMC/USAF

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang1928 View Post
    Your truck is not a gun truck. This is my 5 Ton with the ring mount legs still attached. They were also used for cargo baskets. These were retro kits. If your truck doesn't have an armored cab it's not a Gun Truck. I have seen some armored cab 5 ton trucks come up in actions and all had to be destroyed/de-milled prier to removal from the auction site
    Dear mustang I am not asking if my truck had a LWS, IT DID, I am asking the gentlemen that have Vietnam era gun trucks if they believe that the convoy escort trucks from the late 80's the 90's would be considered as gun trucks of that era. As to your contention that most of the 939 series trucks that have the legs and cab reinforcements were just for a storage shelf I call B.S. I served in this era and have driven and cut up more of these trucks than you will ever see, and not one of them had a storage shelf. The reason for the legs and no LWS left up top is because the LWS is supposed to be removed before the truck is sold to the public, if it were a plain shelf we would have left it on the trucks. Yeah I said we because I actually helped remove most of the LWS from the 3500 trucks at Camp Shelby.

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