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    Default Civil Defense Vehicles and Items

    We're taking care and control of a number of Civil Defence items and will be turning the M207 shop van into a Canadian Civil Defence Museum Display so we'll lump it all together in a "new" thread.

    The thread is open to everyone that just wants to post a picture or a personal story of their Civil Defense experience and doesn't really want to start a new thread. Everything within the site rules, Civil Defense related, is welcome.

    There are a number of 'related' threads like the "Chrysler air raid siren" but very few are titled to cover a broad scope of items, so here we go.

    This is my first recovery of an air raid siren after hanging out with a group of museum growers for the past year. It's getting serious so hopefully you'll enjoy the pics and join the addiction.



    We're chasing the Civil Defense story and hope to share what we've learned in a sticks and mortar building some day. For now the items will be taken in our care and control http://www.mavic.asn.au/assets/Small...Manual_4th.pdf then distributed to various museums across Canada, for display. A trailer was purchased for a mobile display and we'll be 'MV show ready by spring'.

    After the Ma Me O beach siren rescue we were welcomed by the Town of Ponoka to rescue, water bottles, stretchers, first aid kits and some of their original boxes from the 50's and 60's. Here are the pics.

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    We found an "Era" correct package that should look good next to the 56' Goose on the next display.


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    The fire department had a few toys of their own including what looks like another Federal Sign and Signal type 3.


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    A Federal Electric Company hand held siren and a couple of boxes in amazing condition.


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    That is too cool!!!
    02-1952 M135 W/O #5314 - Reg. #4G3868 (winch added at some point in its life)
    01-1952 M135 W/O #4984 - Reg. #41143???
    12-1951 M135 W/O #3194 - Reg. #41122836 945th Maint Co, 945th Antiaircraft Artillery Bn., Milford Delaware
    11-1951 M135 W/O #556 - Reg. #41121215 5th Army, 816th Quartermaster, Ft. Leonard Wood

    Video of #4984 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FUElX_64i4
    Video of #5314 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYMiR2DT7Fo

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    We're just 'starting' to dig up the cool stuff that was going on north of the 49th. I'm still searching for any military trucks that we used but found this Mercury on a Canadian Civil Defence video. The 50's video is hilarious and serious all at the same time, but mostly hilarious. Can't link the video but it can be found here. https://www.facebook.com/CanadianCiv...mAsscociation/

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    The size of the sirens or the hoods are hard to see up on the pole so we put some items on it for scale.

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    Cool comes from the base of the same siren that sits in the back of the pickup and the leather/riveted belt they used from the drive motor. The base is a Canadian made, turntable style air raid siren from CLM industries. The rest of this siren went to some sort of Blues Brothers car so that's not as cool, but still cool.

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    Seeing the old radio sets and items from the 50's in good condition is certainly a treat.

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    Our restoration guru spent some time dismantling and cleaning up the Ma-Me-O siren so thought I'd try uploading some pics and add some crazy excitement to the Civil Defence Story.


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    We're just a small group and really pioneers in the discovery of Canada's Civil Defence History. The secrets of our preparedness starting in the early 50's is a primary focus of research and this article teases the mind to the many mysteries left to be exposed.

    http://madinthehat.blogspot.ca/2013/...icine-hat.html

    """""""""""""Packed in dusty crates in the basement is 1960s-era medical equipment to be used in case of an emergency such as a nuclear war.
    "Essentially what you've got there is a 200-bed hospital," said Medicine Hat's fire chief Garry Mauch, who recently found out about and toured the site.
    "There's cots, there's radiology - X-ray equipment with portable generators - there's operating rooms with the lights and surgical equipment. And there's instructions for using the equipment."
    The site is one of 19 across Alberta, and an unknown number across Canada, that date from the 1960s and are under the jurisdiction of Health Canada, he said."""""""""""

    In addition to piles of recently declassified documents, we're researching hundreds of news-paper articles, available on our website. They begin to tell stories of buildings that were built and used for 'training' throughout many major cities across our country. Construction began in the early 50's and our Canada Housing and Mortgage Corporation provided "loans" to anyone applying for a permit to construct a "Shelter". Canada Post and Canada Health were apparently used as financial funnels to bury the great expense of Canadian preparedness.

    The windowless block building and this cavity under an alley are directly adjacent to a building in Edmonton's inner core that was used for "training" of Civil Defence staff in 1950-53'. How the basements, tunnels and buried structures were intended to be used still remains to be discovered.


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    This is a sample of Edmonton's 'plan for the future' which includes removing a historical airport to make room for more fun folks.


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    These are some of the last hangers on the grounds and rumors abound of the American built hangers having shelter caverns under 3' thick concrete floors. We're investigating but it makes sense that a WW11 airport would have hardened areas built into the design.

    We're very far behind on exposing the Canadian story in part due to the secrecy between different levels of Government and the bug eyed look we get when we start asking about tunnels and bunkers. We're trying to article as much as we can while it still exists. This is an older article about one of our remaining bunkers, we're still trying to fight for.
    http://www.metronews.ca/news/edmonto...o-re-open.html

    The American Civil Defense story involved a greater level of public acceptance and involvement it seems. These guys have contained the massive Civil Defense story on this site. http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/

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    The Mosquito in this photo sits near the South/East end of the airport. In the background are the "American" hangers built around WW11.

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    We kept the Mosi in what will possibly be the last remaining hanger on this historic airport.

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    In this last photo you can see the same 'parkade' in the background that can be seen in the Mosquito picture. This is about mid-field, looking East toward 500 Wing.

    In the foreground is the last visible sign of what was possibly a cavernous structure underneath a large hanger floor slab.

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    Very cool M1010plowboy! !
    It is such a shame that Edmonton decides to tear the "Muni" down. I believe they should have kept at least some of it for a historical museum or repurpose some of the hangers and other buildings. The last time ideas in Deadmonton, they were just shutting the Muni down for actual provincial flights. I saw the last planes come and go. Quite a few people were there. Most unhappy about the closure.
    I would love to go crawling around in some of the old abandoned tunnels to find their secrets. As a kid in Whitehorse my brother and I used to explore abandoned gold, silver mines and a few civil defense bunkers hidden in the woods. Entirely not save but found lots of cool and historical stuff. Just wish we had kept some of the things we had found. In one such bunker we had found a case of canned stew rations dated 1943. Most cans were rusted and the labels rotted away but a few were still legible in plain off white/ beige paper and bold black print.
    The Mosquito looks awesome. Whom ever restored her to her original glory did a great job! My father would climb all over that plane. He has been an avid air enthusiasts and pleasure/Bush pilot for most of his life. Since he was 16, believe he said he got his pilots license before his drivers license.
    I there any way you could get back to the civil defense bunker. Take a detailed video or email some of the build plans? I am super interested in the watwr purification systems, air purifying/ scrubbing system. Fuel storages, food supplies stocks etc.....
    Basically I want to know everything about it. I love that kind of stuff and with the way the economy and the state of the world is going I may have to start digging out my mountain in preparations and need as much detailed info as I can get.
    Who's Disneyland plan is this?!??!! OH Ya It's mine...

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    One of the reasons we sense a little urgency on this is the reported 'destruction' and irresponsible upkeep of the last publicly funded bunkers built in the 50's and 60's.

    We are being led to believe that the bunker in Edmonton was the first 'municipal' bunker in Canada and may be the last muni bunker in Canada.....that any authority is willing to talk about.

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    I'll dig through some manufacturer names and get some more details on air management in our 50's nuclear shelter but for now, here's what we think we know.


    https://itsadisaster.wordpress.com/2...nt-shelter-et/
    https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.ph...ew/17956/22019

    Prior to the U.S. Manhattan Project, "Tube Alloys" was the code name for Nuclear R&D Canada used in U.K.'s nuke weapon program sometime in the early 40's.

    Radiation Shielding and radioactive isotopes in dust created the demand for innovation. The air system in the Edmonton bunker used a "Positive Pressurization Ionization Scrubbing Unit".

    We understand that the air-pressure inside the building was maintained at a higher atmospheric pressure than the outside air.

    I don't have a complete understanding of this part yet but somehow, valves in the air-intake and exhaust managed this process once the building was sealed. A state of the art "ionizing" device was used to 'discharge' radiated particles from the outside air that was drawn into the ducting before being circulated within the bunker.

    I don't understand how these dust covered isotopes were dispelled after being pulled from the air because the "ionizer" sits inside the building. Maybe the dust was bagged and stored or blown back outside so it's just another part of the story that needs to be discovered.

    Tried to load a bunch more photos up for us but I'm still battling some pic loading blues on SS. The motor in the photo is one of many tied into the bunker my insurance broker recently bought and sold.

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