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    Amendment to MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE Act 300 of 1949.docxWith everything going on about ex military vehicles, I received news that Senator Hopgood is willing to help.
    So I'm passing this on, hopefully I have this posted in the right place, if not please move it
    Better have an Historic plate than no plate at all.


    All Michigan Historic Military Vehicle Owners.
    State Senator HopGood is spearheading a bill in Lansing that
    would create a new class of “Historic Military Vehicles” whose titling would
    parallel our “authenticated” antique vehicles and plates issued by the
    Secretary of State.
    Special class, special plate, $35.00 lifetime fee, no updates
    required for emissions, passive restraints, etc.
    The vehicle would use a collector plate (we have a design
    done and it cool as ****) and not to be used for everyday use, but to be
    used for exhibitions, parades, car/military club activities, swap meets,
    maintenance and testing, tours and similar activities. It would require
    insurance at all times.
    It would cover both foreign built and domestic for the Kubel gang,
    Pinzgauers, British wheeled armor, etc.
    If you live in Michigan, please call the Senator’s office at
    517-373-7800 and politely inform his office staff that you support the Bill (no
    number yet) and wish it become law in Michigan.
    They might ask for your address so they have an understanding
    of where the support is coming from and the work with the respective legislator
    in those parts of the state.
    You can call or visit the office of your state representative
    and state senator and tell them directly that you support the bill.
    The time has come for us to speak up.
    Senator Hopgood senhhopgood@senate.michigan.gov

    You may also contact Charles Miller Legislative Aide/Constituent Services Office of Senator Hoon-Yung Hopgood 517-373-7800
    Amendment to MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE Act 300 of 1949.docx
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    Please let us know how this works out . I have been thinking about something similar for my state . They have every other plate so a plate for MV's would be great .
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouWon View Post
    With everything going on about ex military vehicles, I received news that Senator Hopgood is willing to help.
    So I'm passing this on, hopefully I have this posted in the right place, if not please move it
    Better have an Historic plate than no plate at all.


    All Michigan Historic Military Vehicle Owners.
    State Senator HopGood is spearheading a bill in Lansing that
    would create a new class of “Historic Military Vehicles” whose titling would
    parallel our “authenticated” antique vehicles and plates issued by the

    Secretary of State.
    Special class, special plate, $35.00 lifetime fee, no updates
    required for emissions, passive restraints, etc.
    The vehicle would use a collector plate (we have a design

    done and it cool as ****) and not to be used for everyday use, but to be
    used for exhibitions, parades, car/military club activities, swap meets,
    maintenance and testing, tours and similar activities. It would require
    insurance at all times.

    It would cover both foreign built and domestic for the Kubel gang,
    Pinzgauers, British wheeled armor, etc.
    If you live in Michigan, please call the Senator’s office at
    517-373-7800 and politely inform his office staff that you support the Bill (no
    number yet) and wish it become law in Michigan.
    They might ask for your address so they have an understanding

    of where the support is coming from and the work with the respective legislator
    in those parts of the state.
    You can call or visit the office of your state representative
    and state senator and tell them directly that you support the bill.
    The time has come for us to speak up.

    Senator Hopgood senhhopgood@senate.michigan.gov



    When you copy and paste to black type it makes it really hard to read on a OD background.
    I fixed this one for you .

    Also I want to see a copy of the Bill before I support it , some of these bills to get HMMWV's registered are hurting deuce and 5 ton owners.


    attached 1st section showing excluded in august.

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    Thank you porkysplace, you the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouWon View Post
    Thank you porkysplace, you the man.
    Just to clarify , the reason I want to see it first is I won't support a bill that limits use of MV's that have been sold without any restrictions and can be plated however you want now , so HMMWV's that were sold with a "OFF ROAD ONLY" clause can be registered.
    1.) I don't feel CUCV, 5 TON, M37, M38, M35, ect. should give up use of our trucks
    so HMMWV's can be register when buyers agreed to the "OFF ROAD ONLY' clause when they bought them.
    2.) The state will lose money considering if you want to use a M35 for hauling the plates cost $500 a year if you register legally to use for general use.

    I also I read some debate in another today about how will they know a CUCV is military vehicle as they are just pick-ups and K5 blazers?
    Well that is easy and probably already in the system software as the 5th digit of the VIN is "D" which designates "military 4 x 4".

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    I have requested the draft of the bill, once I get it I will post it.

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    Bump Proposed Bill is attached

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouWon View Post
    Bump Proposed Bill is attached
    I'm not really sure I like it , there are some things that are alright but others that are not.
    As it is wrote Must be 25 years old , so nothing newer than 1993 at this point.
    It also has all the restrictions of current classic plates ( no cargo ect. )
    But also does not allow for unlimited driving during august like all other historic plated cars are allowed to do.

    They did do a got job on the manufactures I think still got to spend more in depth study of that part.

    Since this is a bill that restricts a already restrictive historic plate law is the majority of owners happy with and going to accept that all MV's currently registered as historic can no longer drive anytime in august like they now can?
    As written it is taking rights away from currently registered MV's so MV's sold as "OFF ROAD ONLY' can by registered with more restrictions than other historic vehicles .

    I don't support it as written , but as long as I can pay my $500 a year and use my deuce how I want I'm not totally against it.
    See proposed bill below ( most people don't dig for links)
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -------Amendment to
    Michigan Vehicle Code
    Act 300 of 1949


    257.20a “Historic vehicle” defined.
    Sec. 20a. "Historic vehicle" means a vehicle or any Military Surplus Vehicle, that is over 25 years old, and that is owned solely as a
    Collector’s item and for participation in organizational activities, exhibitions, tours, parades and similar uses, including occasional personal use and Mechanical testing, but is not used for general transportation. For purposes of this section, use of the vehicle during the month of August in each year is considered an exhibition.
    History: Add. 1996, Act 404, Eff. Dec. 21, 1996;ľAm. 2012, Act 239, Imd. Eff. June 29, 2012.

    257.20b "Military Surplus vehicle" defined.
    “Military Surplus Vehicle” means any High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled , Rubber Half Tracked vehicle or any motor vehicle made for military usage and that was manufactured by or under the direction of the United States Armed Forces, (TACOM), or any country, and subsequently authorized for sale to civilian market. To include, but not limited to such common manufacturers as, Bantam, Willys, Jeep, Ford, Checker, White, GMC, Chrysler, Kaiser, AM GENERAL, International, Mack, Autocar, REO, Diamond T, Harley-Davidson, Indian, Studebaker, Federal, Pacific Car and Foundry, American Motors, General Dynamics, CONDEC, Ward-LaFrance, Stewart and Stevenson, Brockway, FWD, FMC, Cadillac Gauge, American Car and Foundry, or Oshkosh. Also, to include the use of common names or models like, but not limited to: DUKW, HMMWV, HUMVEE, MUTT, DUCK, MB, JEEP, GPW, CCKW, M38, M37, M35, M151, M998.


    257.216 Vehicles subject to registration and certificate of title provisions; exceptions.
    Sec. 216. Every motor vehicle, including Surplus Military vehicles, recreational vehicle, trailer, semitrailer, and pole trailer when driven or moved on a street or highway, is subject to the registration and certificate of title provisions of this act except
    the following:
    (a) A vehicle driven or moved on a street or highway in conformance with the provisions of this act
    relating to manufacturers, transporters, dealers, or nonresidents.
    (b) A vehicle that is driven or moved on a street or highway only for the purpose of crossing that street or
    highway from 1 property to another.
    (c) An implement of husbandry.
    (d) Special mobile equipment. The secretary of state may issue a special registration to an individual,
    partnership, corporation, or association not licensed as a dealer that pays the required fee, to identify special
    mobile equipment that is driven or moved on a street or highway.
    (e) A vehicle that is propelled exclusively by electric power obtained from overhead trolley wires though
    not operated on rails.
    (f) Any vehicle subject to registration, but owned by the government of the United States.
    Rendered Wednesday, February 7, 2018 Page 35 Michigan Compiled Laws Complete Through PA 10 of 2018
    Ó Legislative Council, State of Michigan Courtesy of www.legislature.mi.gov
    (g) A certificate of title is not required for a trailer, semitrailer, or pole trailer that weighs less than 2,500
    pounds.
    (h) A vehicle driven or moved on a street or highway, by the most direct route, only for the purpose of
    securing a scale weight receipt from a weighmaster for purposes of section 801 or obtaining a vehicle
    inspection by a law enforcement agency before titling or registration of that vehicle.
    (i) A certificate of title is not required for a vehicle owned by a manufacturer or dealer and held for sale or
    lease, even though incidentally moved on a street or highway or used for purposes of testing or demonstration.
    (j) A bus or a school bus that is not self-propelled and is used exclusively as a construction shanty.
    (k) A certificate of title is not required for a moped.
    (l) For 3 days immediately following the date of a properly assigned title or signed lease agreement from
    any person other than a dealer, a registration is not required for a vehicle driven or moved on a street or
    highway for the sole purpose of transporting the vehicle by the most direct route from the place of purchase or
    lease to a place of storage if the driver has in his or her possession the assigned title showing the date of sale
    or a lease agreement showing the date of the lease.
    (m) A certificate of registration is not required for a pickup camper, but a certificate of title is required.
    (n) A new motor vehicle driven or moved on a street or highway only for the purpose of moving the
    vehicle from an accident site to a storage location if the vehicle was being transported on a railroad car or
    semitrailer that was involved in a disabling accident.
    (o) A boat lift used for transporting vessels between a marina or a body of water and a place of inland
    storage.
    History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949;ľAm. 1951, Act 69, Eff. Sept. 28, 1951;ľAm. 1953, Act 110, Eff. Oct. 2, 1953;ľAm.
    1957, Act 110, Imd. Eff. May 24, 1957;ľAm. 1959, Act 155, Eff. Mar. 19, 1960;ľAm. 1964, Act 248, Eff. Jan. 1, 1965;ľAm. 1968,
    Act 139, Imd. Eff. June 11, 1968;ľAm. 1974, Act 70, Eff. Apr. 1, 1975;ľAm. 1976, Act 74, Imd. Eff. Apr. 11, 1976;ľAm. 1976, Act
    439, Imd. Eff. Jan. 13, 1977;ľAm. 1981, Act 75, Imd. Eff. June 30, 1981;ľAm. 1983, Act 186, Imd. Eff. Oct. 25, 1983;ľAm. 1985,
    Act 32, Imd. Eff. June 13, 1985;ľAm. 1988, Act 214, Imd. Eff. June 30, 1988;ľAm. 1989, Act 286, Imd. Eff. Dec. 26, 1989;ľAm.
    1990, Act 98, Eff. Jan. 1, 1991;ľAm. 1992, Act 102, Imd. Eff. June 25, 1992;ľAm. 1996, Act 141, Imd. Eff. Mar. 25, 1996;ľAm.
    2002, Act 642, Eff. Jan. 1, 2003;ľAm. 2008, Act 539, Imd. Eff. Jan. 13, 2009;ľAm. 2009, Act 32, Eff. Dec. 1, 2009.


    257.803a Issuance of historic vehicle, historic military vehicle registration plate or registration tab; fee; certification;
    registration certificate; registration transferable; expiration or revocation of registration.
    Sec. 803a. (1) The secretary of state may issue to the owner of an historic vehicle an historic vehicle
    registration plate which shall bear the inscription “historical vehicle - Michigan” and the registration number.
    Rendered Wednesday, February 7, 2018 Page 341 Michigan Compiled Laws Complete Through PA 10 of 2018
    Ó Legislative Council, State of Michigan Courtesy of www.legislature.mi.gov
    (2) The owner of an historic vehicle applying for an historic vehicle registration plate or a registration tab
    under this section shall pay a fee of $30.00, shall certify that the vehicle for which the registration is requested
    is owned and operated solely as an historic vehicle, and shall certify that the vehicle has been inspected and
    found safe to operate on the highways of this state. The registration certificate need not specify the weight of
    the historic vehicle. The registration issued under this section is transferable to another historic vehicle upon
    completion of the application for transfer and payment of the fee in the manner described in section 809.
    (3) A registration issued under this section shall expire on April 15 in the tenth year following the date of
    issuance of the registration.
    (4) The secretary of state may revoke a registration issued under this section, for cause shown and after a
    hearing, for failure of the applicant to comply with this section, for use of the vehicle for which the
    registration was issued for purposes other than those enumerated in section 20a, or because the vehicle is not
    safe to operate on the highways of this state.
    (5) The secretary of state may issue to the owner of an historic military vehicle as defined by 257.20b of this act, an historic military vehicle registration plate which shall bear the inscription “Historic Military Vehicle - Michigan” and the registration number.
    History: Add. 1951, Act 144, Eff. Sept. 28, 1951;ľAm. 1961, Act 186, Eff. Sept. 8, 1961;ľAm. 1978, Act 427, Imd. Eff. Sept. 30,
    1978;ľAm. 1980, Act 398, Eff. Mar. 31, 1981;ľAm. 1980, Act 476, Eff. Mar. 31, 1981;ľAm. 1981, Act 225, Imd. Eff. Jan. 6, 1982;
    ľAm. 1987, Act 190, Eff. Apr. 15, 1988;ľAm. 1987, Act 238, Imd. Eff. Dec. 28, 1987;ľAm. 1990, Act 347, Imd. Eff. Dec. 26, 1990;
    ľAm. 1996, Act 404, Eff. Dec. 21, 1996.





    257.803s Historical military vehicle Michigan registration plate; fee; certification; registration certificate;
    transferability; validity; revocation of registration.
    Sec. 803s. (1) The owner of an historical military vehicle may use an historical military Michigan registration plate.
    The plate shall be “Olive Drab” in color with White letters and a White Star with the words “Historic Military Vehicle – Michigan”.
    (2) The owner of an historic military vehicle applying to use an historic military vehicle - Michigan registration plate under this
    section shall pay a fee of $35.00, shall certify that the vehicle for which the registration is requested is owned
    and operated solely as an historic military vehicle, and shall certify that the vehicle has been inspected and found safe
    to operate on the highways of this state. The registration certificate need not specify the weight of the historic
    military vehicle. The registration issued under this section is not transferable to another historic military vehicle.
    (3) A registration issued under this section shall remain valid until the registrant either sells, transfers, or
    scraps the vehicle or modifies the vehicle in a manner that requires the issuance of a new certificate of title for
    the vehicle under this act.
    (4) After a hearing and for cause shown, the secretary of state may revoke a registration issued under this
    section for failure of the applicant to comply with this section, for use of the vehicle for which the registration
    was issued for purposes other than those enumerated in section 20b, or because the vehicle is not safe to
    operate on the highways of this state.
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    @porkysplace
    I will forward your concerns to editors of the document
    It's the beginning of it, so I am certain that they will be a few amendment's before it is introduced
    This is not about one person, but about everybody who owns a MV, all comments are welcome.

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