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starter solenoid?

Tacitus

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Truck is farm use and for a year or so, on occasion, it would not start, the engine did not turn at all, when I hit start, all I heard was a kind of grinding noise. Turn off the main switch, wait a minute, then it would start. Using it yesterday, all was fine until it wasn't. Tried to start and nothing. Turn on main power and hit start, nothing but like a thunk noise under the truck. The voltage gauge needle and maybe fuel moved when I hit start. I'm thinking starter or a starter solenoid? I assume it has a solenoid. Batteries should be charged, when I am not using it, I disconnect batteries and use trickle chargers.

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Make sure you have a GOOD ground first, then go from there. Had similar issue................was a loose battery cable. Later on in the life of the truck, the actual starter switch failed, similar noise or NO noise at all, R and Replaced...............Good to Go. Hope that helps a smidge.
 

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Make sure you have a GOOD ground first, then go from there. Had similar issue................was a loose battery cable. Later on in the life of the truck, the actual starter switch failed, similar noise or NO noise at all, R and Replaced...............Good to Go. Hope that helps a smidge.
Adding on to Marchplumber; dirty/corroded battery connection. Does it to me every time.
 

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I only had about 10 minutes to work on it today. I was certain all the battery cables were tight and corrosion free, but I double checked, took everything lose and put back on tight. Same thing, getting power to fuel and voltage gauges, needles move, but when I hit start, same "thunk" noise. Engine does not crank any at all. I will check starter cables next for corrosion and make sure they are tight, meanwhile, any other suggestions? again, thanks to everyone in advance.
 

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I only had about 10 minutes to work on it today. I was certain all the battery cables were tight and corrosion free, but I double checked, took everything lose and put back on tight. Same thing, getting power to fuel and voltage gauges, needles move, but when I hit start, same "thunk" noise. Engine does not crank any at all. I will check starter cables next for corrosion and make sure they are tight, meanwhile, any other suggestions? again, thanks to everyone in advance.
I'm having the same issue. I replaced all the batteries (they were old anyway) and still no luck. Then I replaced the starter/solenoid and the truck started for about a month, but now I'm getting the same thunk noise and no starting again. I'll check for a loose ground. Anybody in the Maryland area who could help me diagnose in exchange for beer? I'm trying to sell the truck.
 

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How about the Start relay that supplies power to the starter solenoid?
Have you checked that?
What happens if you take a remote start switch and hook it to the solenoid and try it?
Tom
 

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So, I used a BAS (big ass screwdriver) on the starter solenoid terminals. Sparks flew, my life passed before my eyes, but I did get a whirling noise from the starter so I went inside the truck and it started. I then restarted 10 times and the truck started 9 out of 10 times. I'm glad the truck starts but I don't feel like I have fixed the problem. Any thoughts on what could be wrong? Starter going bad? Bad wiring?

Thanks to cattlerepairman for reminding me about the screwdriver trick. P.S. My apologies if I have hijacked this thread.
 

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Could be a wire problem or again the start relay that energizes the solenoid when the button is pushed.
Next time it fails to start get a helper to push the button while you take a test light and
Follow the circuit.
Tom
 

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Hi NightOwl, no sir, you have not hijacked the thread. sounds like we have the same problem, I just havent had time to work on mine. If you find the solution, please post, and thank you in advance.
 

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Nightowl, I finally had time to work on mine, it was a dead battery. One was good, replaced bad one & and it fired up, running good. Hope you got yours fixed.
 

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So, I used a BAS (big ass screwdriver) on the starter solenoid terminals. Sparks flew, my life passed before my eyes, but I did get a whirling noise from the starter so I went inside the truck and it started. I then restarted 10 times and the truck started 9 out of 10 times. I'm glad the truck starts but I don't feel like I have fixed the problem. Any thoughts on what could be wrong? Starter going bad? Bad wiring?

Thanks to cattlerepairman for reminding me about the screwdriver trick. P.S. My apologies if I have hijacked this thread.
Often, when this happens, it's the starter rotor. The part of the starter rotor, where the brushes ride, the collector, (and I hope I am getting the terms right, as I have forgotten a lot of the English words). The collector, is made up of a number of elements, that are insulated from one another. They are 180 degrees apart, from another element, but connected by a wire. The two elements compleat a circuit in the wires wound around the rotor. The completing of one circuit, causes the magnetic force to move the rotor forwards. When the brush passes from one element to another, the energizing and de energizing of circuits causes the rotor to spin. So, why am I boring you with this? Well, as long as the starter motor stops on a pair of good elements, it will turn the motor over when you re energize the starter. But if you have two or more bad elements, and the brushes just happen to stop on them, when reenergizing the starter, no circuit can be completed, and the starter will not turn. People often used to slide under a vehicle and tap, or bang (depending how often you have done this, and in what kind of weather) on the starter with a hammer. The shock, of being banged on, almost always, but not 100% of the time, made the rotor move a bit. If the next element was good, the starter could be turned over. You accomplish the same thing by jumping the starter. You get it to move to a place that has no burned out element.

To test a starter rotor, you can do it several ways. Take it to a good auto shop, and the have a "growler". This is a electrical device the allows you to lay the rotor down into a bench. At one end is a "V" slot, where the shaft end can rotate. The front has the same. This allows you to be able to turn the rotor smothely. In the middle is another "V". It holds on opposing sides, brushes, or electrical probes, connected to the correct voltage for your motor. When you spin the rotor, the opening and closing of the circuits, vibrate and make a growling sound. By slowly turning the rotor, you can hear if a pair of elements fails to work.

A simpler way, for us folks who are DIY people is to get a multi meter, set for ohms, and best with a beeper. Then, ( if you are lazy like me) drill a hole in a block of wood, big enough to let the rotor shaft turn easy, but not slop around. Put the rotor shaft into the hole. Get a black sharpie. Make a dot on one of the the element edges. Put your multimeter probe on that element, and keep it there. Then take the other probe, and touch each and every element all around the rotor. When the meter beeps, you have a compleat circuit. Mark it with your sharpie. Keep going, as you might have a short between more the one element. If you have more the one matchup, the rotor is bad. If you have no matchup between two elements, the rotor is bad. Go all the way around. Each element has to have one to match up. Easy. It sounds more complicated then it is.
 
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