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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyfang View Post
    Sad to say, in Germany, I am not allowed to open this link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyfang View Post
    Sad to say, in Germany, I am not allowed to open this link.
    Seriously curious as to "why" you can not open that link in Germany..... Law? Internet problem? I'm not joking, I'm very curious as to why you can't open it in the free/democratic land of Germany. Send e-mail if you so desire or if answer might disturb site rules and regs...................
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    Unfortunately the Hook pilots will get disciplined because they know the effects of their rotorwash and should have known the crowd was too close.
    Rotorwash from a chinook is over 100 mph.
    Initiate a go-around and radio that crowd is too close.
    That simple.
    I used to fly that type (MH-47E) and have done air shows and such
    It’s very easy to determine from the cockpit if crowds are too close are not.

    Joe Public will always want to be closer and think they know better than the safety officials.
    Worst offenders are usually the veterans who should know better.

    Everytime we did a fly in like that, we had a ground person there from our unit.
    They would know what to look for as we approached and was a liaison for Fire/Police.
    I would always do a High recon and then a low recon over the LZ.
    Again, easy to tell if crowds are too close.

    This incident is an example of bad communications, bad crowd management and poor pilot judgment.

    It could have been worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marchplumber View Post
    Seriously curious as to "why" you can not open that link in Germany..... Law? Internet problem? I'm not joking, I'm very curious as to why you can't open it in the free/democratic land of Germany. Send e-mail if you so desire or if answer might disturb site rules and regs...................
    The "Free and Democratic" land of Germany blocks lots of things in the net. Mostly, its because of contractual issues. But not always. And they have a real problem with the rights of "the people". It is for instance against the law to post a picture of folks, who have all not given permission for you to do so. So you take a picture of a bridge, and have to block out peoples faces if you want to post it in the net. Car license plates also.

    The following text was the only thing/reason it got when I tried to access that link.
    WERE SORRY: THIS SITE NOT AVAILABLE IN YOUR COUNTRY.

    Its "verboten" to display, for instance the Hackenkreutz, Swastika in Germany, (there are some exceptions). But if you do that in the net, the minders will shut you down. Big fine also. The whole world knows the Holocaust happened. Only a crackpot would deny that it not happened. But, there are crackpots in the world. In the states, you could post on the net, "The Holocaust is a Hoax", and people would say, "the boy is cracked". Here the Polizei would come and put you in the Slammer. Big fine. The displaying of literature that contradicts The Holocaust is reason enough to shut off your access to the net.

    Its a different country, and they have different rules here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyfang View Post
    The "Free and Democratic" land of Germany blocks lots of things in the net. Mostly, its because of contractual issues. But not always. And they have a real problem with the rights of "the people". It is for instance against the law to post a picture of folks, who have all not given permission for you to do so. So you take a picture of a bridge, and have to block out peoples faces if you want to post it in the net. Car license plates also.

    The following text was the only thing/reason it got when I tried to access that link.
    WERE SORRY: THIS SITE NOT AVAILABLE IN YOUR COUNTRY.

    Its "verboten" to display, for instance the Hackenkreutz, Swastika in Germany, (there are some exceptions). But if you do that in the net, the minders will shut you down. Big fine also. The whole world knows the Holocaust happened. Only a crackpot would deny that it not happened. But, there are crackpots in the world. In the states, you could post on the net, "The Holocaust is a Hoax", and people would say, "the boy is cracked". Here the Polizei would come and put you in the Slammer. Big fine. The displaying of literature that contradicts The Holocaust is reason enough to shut off your access to the net.

    Its a different country, and they have different rules here.
    Thanks for the explanation! Quite true, different. Now, back to the story of the CH-47 landing and causing havoc.................................Sorry OP, didn't mean to hi-jack thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    Joe Public will always want to be closer and think they know better than the safety officials.
    Worst offenders are usually the veterans who should know better.
    This incident is an example of bad communications, bad crowd management and poor pilot judgment.
    Agreed. A lot of the veterans are used to such helos as Hueys and Cobras, and didn't ever experience the difference in rotorwash of heavy lift birds like the CH-53 and the Hook. Big surprise!

    The pilot(s) was hotdogging too, which often has negative results. Judgement should overrule funtime, a spanking is deserved in this case. (Not like we ever did anything we shouldn't have in a helo....)

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