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    I am thinking maybe I need to be checked for Alzheimer's because I can not remember a long post but I remember the Girls in Vegas 40 years ago. Good thing what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas and a rear winch is a good thing. Sometimes it is better to get pulled out the way you came in if the muck only get deeper. I forget but have a excuse what foreign truck had the winch that was run so it could be used from the front or the back?
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    I think Mogs have that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clinto View Post
    I have a Warn M-series 18K on the rear of my truck, but I'd kind of like to buy one of the Sherpas and try it. They're a very competitive price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floridianson View Post
    I am thinking maybe I need to be checked for Alzheimer's because I can not remember a long post but I remember the Girls in Vegas 40 years ago. Good thing what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas and a rear winch is a good thing. Sometimes it is better to get pulled out the way you came in if the muck only get deeper. I forget but have a excuse what foreign truck had the winch that was run so it could be used from the front or the back?
    That Tatra that came to the Georgia Rally the other year from Canada had that as well. I know you saw that one. The spool was mounted in the center of the truck between the frame rails and could pull from the front or back depending on where you run the cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dock Rocker View Post
    Whatever you choose several properly rated Crosby shackles and at minimum 2 properly rated snatch blocks are a must for a big truck recovery.

    Single lining on a big truck is a bad idea no matter what winch you choose. Use your winch in its best configuration on the last or next to the last layer on the drum and get all of the mechanical advantage from your recovery gear you can.


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    I agree with most of your thoughts except in my usual situation. If you have a 60K rear winch, single lining is okay and you don't have to worry much about which wrap of the drum you are on. I've never had to use a snatch block on my M984A4. Even when an MTV was mired so deep in mud that the doors couldn't open and the crew had to exit through the windows. My 1089A1P2's have twin 30K winches and could have possibly done the job as well. "My" should be interpreted loosely, these trucks belong to the National Guard and can you believe they pay me to have this kind of fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floridianson View Post
    I forget but have a excuse what foreign truck had the winch that was run so it could be used from the front or the back?
    90% sure Tatras are that way, the Tatra driven from Canada to the GMVR a couple years ago had a midships mounted winch that could feet to the front or rear. I think the MTV winches are that way. HEMTTs maybe?

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    That is a good looking setup!
    Thanks. I put a lot of thought into it. I didn't want to lose departure angle, I wanted it to be usable for self recovery and pulling dead vehicles onto trailers. I didn't want to have to swap the hitch or modify it by dropping it down any. I didn't want to hack the truck up (it killed me to drill the holes in the bottom of the frame for the crossmember) in order to mount it, didn't want to lose the stock pintle functionality, etc.

    I rough drafted it on paper, thought it through, bounced ideas off a dozen of my friends whose opinions I trust and then mocked it up with wood and cardboard.

    There's an entire album of how I did it here: https://imgur.com/a/y8WKT

    The fairlead mount is 1/2" plate and attaches under the pintle. The factory fairlead wouldn't fit on the winch and was too tall to fit between the pintle and hitch. When I removed the stock fairlead, I had the fab shop make a spacer plate to replace the fairlead.

    Got the winch at a very good deal (I should have bought two) but it was still expensive. Maybe $1200 at the low end, $1500 at the high end. Cut no corners: 00 welding cable, 350A disconnects, etc.

    Tight fit with that rear crossmember. A lot of measuring went into this.

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    The fairlead mount took the most time. I think if that 1/2" plate had been 33/64" the pintle shaft would have been two short to get the cotter pin in.

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    Pintle retains 100% of factory capability. Rotates 360į, opens inverted, etc.

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    Wow yeah that looks beautiful! The civilian reciever, winch and pintle compliment each other nicely for sure.

    I may end up doing something similar. I was debating designing a roller setup for the front bumper if I go with a front mounted Sherpa. I really wish I had this truck a few years ago when I was deployed to Australia, I'd've flown a few of these winches home and saved some shipping!

    While I'm still tempted to go front PTO, I'm still thinking it's not the best option. Especially with making maintenance a little tougher and being more of a two person operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandcobra164 View Post
    I agree with most of your thoughts except in my usual situation. If you have a 60K rear winch, single lining is okay and you don't have to worry much about which wrap of the drum you are on. I've never had to use a snatch block on my M984A4. Even when an MTV was mired so deep in mud that the doors couldn't open and the crew had to exit through the windows. My 1089A1P2's have twin 30K winches and could have possibly done the job as well. "My" should be interpreted loosely, these trucks belong to the National Guard and can you believe they pay me to have this kind of fun!
    Funny you say that. I was referring to winching and Pulling personally. My regular job is in the oil field. Everything out there has a 60,000 pound winch on it. Iím not so worried about straight line pull as I am rigging inspection. If one of those lines break itís going to clear the deck.

    Wire rope inspection is a big deal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dock Rocker View Post
    I was referring to winching and Pulling personally. My regular job is in I’m not so worried about straight line pull as I am rigging inspection. If one of those lines break it’s going to clear the deck.

    Wire rope inspection is a big deal.


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    You got that right ! I've personally seen a 5/8" cable let go and it was not funny ! I was winching out a 160 ft Western Red Cedar with my IHC TD18 when the line snapped. The shackle hit the cab like "Thor's Hammer" !!!!
    I still remember my father running up to see if I was alright. I had ducked when I heard the crash (fat lot of good that would have done me though if it hadn't hit the cage) and my dad say me. He though I was hit. I actually never saw the line coming it was so fast. I only ducked when I heard it hit.
    So yes line maintenance is paramount in winch safety.

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    Yes inspection of the outside cable is a good thing but if you have a solid core it is hard to inspect the inside. They make a grease injector rig for injecting grease into a cable but it can be a pain if there is a lot of cable. They got us one for the tug boat but I don't think we ever used it.
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