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    I brought home another Deuce today. It has been sitting 18 to 20 years. It was driven in to where it sat and never moved. We went to pull it out and the back duals would not turn. The E brake was not stuck and neither were the drum brakes. Something is locked up in the drive train. The clutch feels like it is working, the transmission shifts in and out of gear and the transfer case shifts too. I didn't have time to attempt a start of the engine. I just pulled 2 rear axles and winched it onto the trailer. It rolls easily. It does have a winch. Could the PTO be causing this. That's all I can think of, cause this is a problem that is new to me. Appreciate your thoughts on this problem.

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    I have a 816 that sat for 10 years and locked up. I pulled all four axles and both front hub flanges to move her. Mine locked up / rusted reduction geared axles from sitting.
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    What year is it ? Does it have a newer air-shift transfer case or the old "Sprag" type transfer case ? If the later the sprag might be bound up. After all these years it will need a lot of persuading to move.

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    It is a 1968 with the air shift. The front axle moved, it is the rears that are stuck. They want to turn opposite of each other. We had to drag it out and turn it 90 degrees. The wheels bounced around trying to turn opposite of each other but couldn't and just dug ruts. Tried pulling it forward and back once it got out on gravel, but it wouldn't break free.

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    My five cents:
    Could be the transmission stuck in two gears...then the rear wheels would do what you describe. Easy to check seeing you already have the rear half shafts pulled....can you grab the transmission output yoke and turn the transmission output shaft/drive shafts by hand? Might be as easy as bent shift forks from someone playing rough in the cab. It could also be the clutch not releasing (despite the pedal moving), locking the drive train to a seized engine.
    If the drive line does turn freely (and the clutch works, as you said) then it is in one (or both) rear differentials.


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    You said the parking brake was free? Was that by the handle or looking at the shoes??
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2deuce View Post
    It is a 1968 with the air shift. The front axle moved, it is the rears that are stuck. They want to turn opposite of each other. We had to drag it out and turn it 90 degrees. The wheels bounced around trying to turn opposite of each other but couldn't and just dug ruts. Tried pulling it forward and back once it got out on gravel, but it wouldn't break free.

    Pop out one axle from each rear to drag it around.
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    Not an deuce expert by any measure. Based on the symptoms mentioned, sounds like the driveshaft or related gearing to that axle is frozen. The tires turning free and opposite is the clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floridianson View Post
    Pop out one axle from each rear to drag it around.
    I think that is exactly what he did.

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    I just pulled 2 rear axles and winched it onto the trailer. It rolls easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cattlerepairman View Post
    I think that is exactly what he did.
    Yep Thanks. I look but I do not see as for remember forget it. One or both chunks locked up.
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