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    OK, back in 2014 the TxDMV passed arule banning anything the deemed a “dune buggy” invalid for title, registration, and on-road use. This effected sand rails,fiberglass tub cars (ie Manx), as well as many kit cars. Last year letters were sent out to owners mandating the return of the titles and license plates.


    Many of us with such cars banded together to attempt to change this. A group was formed on FB and several media articles were published. The group grew and hired a lobbyist to champion our cause (a very expensive and ongoing process). The TxDMV fought us at every turn and did not want these cars on the road. The decision to press this to legislators was made and we made a huge push to contact all our congressmen. It took a great effort and a lot of money, but progress was made and things are looking positive.


    As of now we got the bill drafted and sponsored in both House and Senate in Austin. It has just unanimously passed the House and is now in the Senate for vote. If it passes, it could see the governor's desk and become law on September 1st.


    It's been a long, hard, expensive battle to preserve our rights to drive these cars. Many other states are watching how Texas deals with the issue of these vehicles. If a person at the TxDMV can screw over an entire class of vehicle owners in Texas, it can certainly happen in other states.


    But why am I posting this here?


    Big Red Flag....


    As of last Thursday, the future of registering “military vehicles” with any “off road”designation were tacked onto the bill (I only became aware of this tonight). As both a “dune buggy” and FMV owner, this now doubled down in importance to me. I know many here have FMV- registered vehicles so you may wish to keep an eye on the progression of the bill (as it gets modified and moves thru the Senate).


    Assuming this all becomes law, it will still return to the TxDMV and the hands of a Mr. Kuntz who was our adversary in the matter and refused to budge on the topic (which led to where we are today). He will be the one establishing the rule making procedures at the TxDMV that workout the implementation of the way that Assembled Vehicles & Former Military Vehicles are to be titled, registered and inspected. (edit by mod).


    Here is the link to Texas House Bill1755 which passed:
    https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB1755/...-g_TSPniv_yJQE




    Here is the FB group that put this alltogether for the fight:
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/Save...8318170703668/

    StTDB web site:
    http://savethetexasdunebuggy.com/
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    Thanks for posting this. I had no idea of the 2014 rule change and didn't know about your effort. I am currently building a "buggy" for Boxcar in my class and we just discussed making it road legal the other day. Not knowing it is currently impossible.
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    3rd,
    It's been my observation that our individual DOTs keep an eye on various vehicle forums. The definitely share information, ever heard of the AAMVA?
    So you may wish to edit a couple comments on there, lest you poke your tiger unnecessarily. 'No sense stirring a turd that don't need to be stirred.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by undysworld View Post
    3rd,
    It's been my observation that our individual DOTs keep an eye on various vehicle forums. The definitely share information, ever heard of the AAMVA?
    So you may wish to edit a couple comments on there, lest you poke your tiger unnecessarily. 'No sense stirring a turd that don't need to be stirred.'
    Thank you. I had just read the thread and was about to weigh in on the same character assessment(s).

    As a Mod; as the OP of the TxFMV LAWS thread; and as one with a vested interested in maintained my own personal relationships with several high level TxDMV folks (trust earned after considerable investment of time and energy), I have edited the OP's Post #1 of this thread so as to maintain the appropriate protocol and decorum necessary for political persuasion.

    Thank you to ALL who participate in this matter for being DIPLOMATIC toward our desired outcome.

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    Well here's what passed thru the Transportation Committee Friday May 17, 2019.

    Section 5 shows the changes/additions to Military Vehicle Registration.

    It will be on the Governor's desk as early as tomorrow.

    Sadly, street legal rails got screwed (to be considered "sandrails":

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    Quote Originally Posted by Third From Texas View Post
    Well here's what passed thru the Transportation Committee Friday May 17, 2019.

    Section 5 shows the changes/additions to Military Vehicle Registration.

    It will be on the Governor's desk as early as tomorrow.

    Sadly, street legal rails got screwed (to be considered "sandrails":

    *right click image to save PDF
    Looks like the m998 with a GVWR of 7700lbs is explicitly permitted to be street titled and registered whether or not the paperwork was stamped "off road".

    Looks like wheeled MVs with a GVWR over 10k are permitted to be street titled and registered as long as they were not stamped "off road".

    I don't know of any MVs over 10k GVWR that had the "off road" stamp.

    I conclude that the target of this legislation was the sandrail crowd and MVs are unaffected.

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    Bill was signed into law 14 June, 2019

    https://legiscan.com/TX/bill/HB1755/2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by Third From Texas View Post
    Bill was signed into law 14 June, 2019

    https://legiscan.com/TX/bill/HB1755/2019
    Thank you for the update.
    'Tis a busy day at the funeral home.... I shall digest the bill as signed as soon as time permits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFSS-ColdWarrior View Post
    Thank you for the update.
    'Tis a busy day at the funeral home.... I shall digest the bill as signed as soon as time permits.
    Found the time to read through the bill last evening, and have re-read it this morning.
    I agree that the Bill as signed has little to no effect upon the FMV Laws of the State of Texas so long as "radical modifications" have not been made to the vehicle(s).

    Th only area I would question is the impact the cannibalization provisions might have on "BOBBED" Deuces or other MAJOR suspension similar modifications.

    Please bear in mind that I am viewing this from the perspective of FORMER Military Vehicles (TxFMV) and that particular class of registration in the Great State of TEXAS. My assessment DOES NOT apply to those former (lower case) Military Vehicles registered as any other class of motor vehicle, nor used for any other purpose than the historic preservation of these machines once used by the Armed Forces.


    (DISCLAIMER: I am NOT an attorney, nor presuming to be any legal authority or expert. I am simply a well-studied citizen with an in depth understanding of the TxFMV Laws citing my interpretations and opinions.)

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    For Texas military vehicle owners, IN MY OPINION the only real changes are that the new law specifically says that Texas DMV will title and register Humvees as FMVs for on-road use, even if they come with paperwork stamped Off-Road Use Only, which is good.
    And tracked vehicles are now specifically excluded from registration as on-road vehicles, which is bad to whoever was using their tank or M113 as a daily driver in ignorance of an already existing separate section in the Texas traffic code that prohibits tracked vehicles of any type from being used as regular on-road vehicles.

    I'll have to read through it again, but there does seem to be protection from arbitrary rulemaking by the DMV included.

    Those operating bobbed vehicles and keeping them registered as FMVs have been violating the law all along, as once modified they no longer fit the legal description. For example, one might argue that they have made a faithful replica of an XM381 from an M35 (which would entail more than removing an axle), but you would need to carefully read the rest of the statute pertaining to rebuilt/modified vehicles to get the clear answer as to why you'd likely not win that argument.

    Something to keep in mind is that if you have been registering a vehicle out of it's class and get caught, you are liable for all the fees you would have paid previously in addition to fines.
    For example - an acquaintance had registered an S404 Unimog around the same time I registered mine in 2001. He chuckled because he was paying 1/3 of what I was paying for yearly tags (I was running regular truck plates back then) because the DMV misread all the weights on his paperwork as being in pounds rather than kilos. He chastised me for making it easy for them by converting all the weights, in addition to giving them a written translation of the Swiss title I had. It took ten years for them to realize his weight discrepancy, but they did, and slapped him with a bill for all those 2/3s he hadn't previously paid, plus a hefty fine. TxDMV then reviewed every Unimog registration they had on record, and handed out similar 'happiness' to all the violators who got caught.

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