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    Quote Originally Posted by russ81 View Post
    I have recently bobbed my deuce, and am looking at installing a break system that is completely hydraulic. I know that Ford uses wet breaks on their F-650's and half of the F-750's. The 850's are all strickly air. With all this in mind, considering the weight, towing capacity, and load capacity of a bobbed deuce, I don't see where there would be much difference between my truck and an F-650/750. So, all this ranting and raving brings me to the point that I'm trying to make. Why do you need the air assist? Isn't this just another system to break down. I know vaccum is an issue with diesels, but there are a lot of ways around that with today's technology.
    Please keep us (me) informed as you move forward on your bobbed Deuces brakes. I don't know about the rest of those out there with bobbers, but with the much larger tires and one less braking axle, mine does not stop near as well as any of my regular deuces. I'd be happy to find a viable brake upgrade.

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    Memphis Equip has the masters for the -A3. All you would need is the pedal assy as its much different. From there add a second air pack and do the plumbing. You will also need to abscond some type of proportioning valve. Side note, going to the -A3 stuff for this eliminates the spot that the PTO shifter bolts too so that would have to be re-engineered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recovry4x4 View Post
    Side note, going to the -A3 stuff for this eliminates the spot that the PTO shifter bolts too so that would have to be re-engineered.
    One could just engineer up a hydrolic winch setup like an A3 too what fun that would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recovry4x4 View Post
    Memphis Equip has the masters for the -A3. All you would need is the pedal assy as its much different. From there add a second air pack and do the plumbing. You will also need to abscond some type of proportioning valve. Side note, going to the -A3 stuff for this eliminates the spot that the PTO shifter bolts too so that would have to be re-engineered.
    Some place on the old sight, there is a thread about this too. I think there is even part numbers or a kit number for Memphis. ( of course I can not find it now )
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    Hey Gimp,

    I have a '87 M35A2C with the dual MC/Airpack setup. I can take pictures if you would like.

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    Could you get a shot of the master and the second(pass side) airpack? That would be great.
    Don't worry about the size difference

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    It will be tommorrow after the"snow showers" pass thru. I like ya but it's too cold outside (38 degrees, I know many others are colder...LOL).

    Let me know if you want any other pics.

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    Kenny pretty much answered it all. Memphis has the master cylinders (around $250). Problem is they don't have the mounts which are totally different. They also don't have the proportioning valves. AM General is the maker of these parts and will not sell to the general public for liability reasons. I called and tried to order and have the parts sent to my work (US Navy) was a no go without a Govt credit card. Best bet would be to try and find a parts A3 and get parts that way. CSI in Talapoosa had one. I know that they were not sure they were going to try to fix so that may be an option.

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    Note to all that the A3 and the late model (late 80s) A2s have the same braking system (split system) with only minor tweaks.

    Note also that the air tanks on the split system are different...two chamber air tanks.

    Honestly, this is a complicated retro-fit. If it wasn't, it would be done more often by now. Even the depot rebuilt trucks kept the single system (unless rebuilt into an A3).

    I would love to see someone do this swap....but please don't under-estimate how much work and parts it's really going to take.
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    there has to be a better mousetrap......

    even a dual circuit master cylinder with front, and rear chambers would be great

    gotta be a truck out there with something compatible....
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