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    Welcome to the site.

    While you may not have liked some of the things said, they are IMPORTANT. You said you're only doing what you are told, but could you live with yourself if someone got killed in a tanker you built because it was overloaded? 1200 gallons in a deuce WILL make it overloaded, you only have 400 pounds left for the tank before you are at your limit. I understand fully about not having money for a fire dept. and in the words of Col. Sink "It's a cryin' ass shame". YOU must impress on the end uses how dangerous those trucks are, and that they need to take steps to provide training and SOP's to provide safe operation. And you should also insist that the administration look into grants and funding for the future to improve the equipment.
    I'm on both a large metropolitan dept and a rural volunteer dept. On the vol. dept., we require 6 hrs of driving and operations for every type of truck before a firefighter can drive it on an emergency run. Review NIOSH Line of duty death reports to learn what you can about home brew tankers. We had a surplus Humvee with a home built pressure tank for grassfires. We turned it back in when we bought a new (compliant) grass truck. Last year a firefighter was killed when something on the tank failed. They had sent it back out without any inspection or certification. I would also be concerned for your liability as the "manufacturer". If an accident were to occur, are you protected from liability? I say these things not to attack you or your work, but to help you be better informed. I think you should maybe see about some kind of liability release.
    I wish you luck, and enjoy learning about MV's here. Feel free to ask questions from the guys here, most of them have a lot more knowledge about the truck than myself, and are always willing to lend a hand or an ear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickfarms View Post
    Nice truck

    You are using a low profile tank that will keep the CG low and reduce the chance of rollover.

    Your department appear to have a driver training requirement in place which is good.

    You should be appauded for helping your community
    Well thank you, its the best for of community service I can think of lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by John S-B View Post
    Welcome to the site.

    While you may not have liked some of the things said, they are IMPORTANT. You said you're only doing what you are told, but could you live with yourself if someone got killed in a tanker you built because it was overloaded? 1200 gallons in a deuce WILL make it overloaded, you only have 400 pounds left for the tank before you are at your limit. I understand fully about not having money for a fire dept. and in the words of Col. Sink "It's a cryin' ass shame". YOU must impress on the end uses how dangerous those trucks are, and that they need to take steps to provide training and SOP's to provide safe operation. And you should also insist that the administration look into grants and funding for the future to improve the equipment.
    I'm on both a large metropolitan dept and a rural volunteer dept. On the vol. dept., we require 6 hrs of driving and operations for every type of truck before a firefighter can drive it on an emergency run. Review NIOSH Line of duty death reports to learn what you can about home brew tankers. We had a surplus Humvee with a home built pressure tank for grassfires. We turned it back in when we bought a new (compliant) grass truck. Last year a firefighter was killed when something on the tank failed. They had sent it back out without any inspection or certification. I would also be concerned for your liability as the "manufacturer". If an accident were to occur, are you protected from liability? I say these things not to attack you or your work, but to help you be better informed. I think you should maybe see about some kind of liability release.
    I wish you luck, and enjoy learning about MV's here. Feel free to ask questions from the guys here, most of them have a lot more knowledge about the truck than myself, and are always willing to lend a hand or an ear.
    Once again, With all due respect, I am not responsible for a roll over. If the truck is solid and the tank isnt going to fall off then its not in my hands. Forestry would. They are handing out the setups. I have built our newest Brush truck, added new skid unit, Lights, radio etc, am I going to be liable if it blows up? no. Im not getting paid, Im not doing anything Im not supposed to. Would I feel bad if a ff got hurt in my tanker? Yes, would anyone in the county even think to blame me? **** no. Ive been to alot of different depts, and I have seen the way they work. I know you may not see it, But a dept in California, new york, ohio, etc, are so much different than Oklahoma, we are still behind a few years. We cant be as good as everyone else. And this is the only bad thing about this service, is the **** politics. Theres to many chiefs and not enough FF. Im not bashing anyone. I wish all of our depts were up to the best of standards, all NFPA trucks, all 100% approved. But its not to that point yet. Im not going to quit doing what I do because its not "safe" this job isn't "safe". Nothing about running into a burning building will ever be safe. But thats the risks we take. No one forced us. We were told before we joined the dangers we will face.


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    VFF, my response had nothing to do with you fire fighting, keep that up by all means. It's hard to get good firefighters. But just as you wear turnouts and SCBA to protect you in a fire, protect yourself from liability as well. I ASSURE YOU, IN CASE OF AN ACCIDENT, LAWYERS WILL FIND SOMEONE WITH A LUST FOR MONEY TO SUE YOU. You may not end up with a judgement against you, but lawyer fees alone can break you financially. This is a chance for you to lead your dept. and advance them. You can use that equipment, it will just take extra effort and training to be safe.
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    I hear what your saying. And come monday(meeting night) I will bring it up and see if this truck is up to standards. If not there's not much I can do. I will leave it up to the board and if they want to release the truck then it will be their responcibilty knowing the consequences. I did this to help out. I didn't have to do it. I appreciate the comments they will be taking into consideration. I will look into it. I can't keep everyone from dying only God can. But yes safety is number 1. Always

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    Your deuce and 5ton are overloaded if you fill them to the capacities of 1200 and 3500 gallons respectfiully. And that is improved road weights not unimproved or no road weights. You say don't kill the messenger we only do what forestry tells us: i say don't kill the operators with false economies. Gravety is instantaneous and irrevocable: when the inevitable problem occurs you will be alone in an unfriendly environment.just because you paid to get in does not mean you have paid to get out. NFPA and most other fire code reqjuirements spring from some previous tragedy where the price was paid. It is sad to repeat old problems and pay again like Coconut Grove and Warwick RI for instance.

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    Ok guys I think we have beat that horse to death. Let's talk about trucks. Lol. I appreciate the comments

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    Amen to that VFF19 safety first we got it. You've done a great job on the truck and I know most depts in my old area would love to have it. In answer to your question on Tinker they go through Gov. Liq. like everyone else so check that site often or get a hold of Warthog or one of the other Oklahoma SS people they should be able to help more then me. But personally i like what you have done and hope that you will do more in the future for the people around you. Thank you for being there for your fellow man.....
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    Our tanker is an old milk truck. My deuce fire truck has a homebrew tank made by the members of the VFD that I would take over any other deuce setup out there. "Homemade" trucks can be a good thing. Just because not everyone knows how to drive doesn't make it a bad, unsafe rig. I honestly blame drivers more than vehicles for problems. Is that weird?
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    Quote Originally Posted by M715VFD405 View Post
    Amen to that VFF19 safety first we got it. You've done a great job on the truck and I know most depts in my old area would love to have it. In answer to your question on Tinker they go through Gov. Liq. like everyone else so check that site often or get a hold of Warthog or one of the other Oklahoma SS people they should be able to help more then me. But personally i like what you have done and hope that you will do more in the future for the people around you. Thank you for being there for your fellow man.....
    Thank you sir. I will look into it. We are replacing either our 5 ton tanker or our deuce with this new one. Im going to try and see if I can buy the deuce off my dep't lol. Our 5 ton is so freaking slow. No turbo, but has assisted steering. I wouldn't want it though

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