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We're taking care and control of a number of Civil Defence items and will be turning the M207 shop van into a Canadian Civil Defence Museum Display so we'll lump it all together in a "new" thread.

The thread is open to everyone that just wants to post a picture or a personal story of their Civil Defense experience and doesn't really want to start a new thread. Everything within the site rules, Civil Defense related, is welcome.

There are a number of 'related' threads like the "Chrysler air raid siren" but very few are titled to cover a broad scope of items, so here we go.

This is my first recovery of an air raid siren after hanging out with a group of museum growers for the past year. It's getting serious so hopefully you'll enjoy the pics and join the addiction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3yXJ9sUnwo

We're chasing the Civil Defense story and hope to share what we've learned in a sticks and mortar building some day. For now the items will be taken in our care and control http://www.mavic.asn.au/assets/Small_Museums_Cataloguing_Manual_4th.pdf then distributed to various museums across Canada, for display. A trailer was purchased for a mobile display and we'll be 'MV show ready by spring'.

After the Ma Me O beach siren rescue we were welcomed by the Town of Ponoka to rescue, water bottles, stretchers, first aid kits and some of their original boxes from the 50's and 60's. Here are the pics.

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We found an "Era" correct package that should look good next to the 56' Goose on the next display.


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The fire department had a few toys of their own including what looks like another Federal Sign and Signal type 3.


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A Federal Electric Company hand held siren and a couple of boxes in amazing condition.


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We're just 'starting' to dig up the cool stuff that was going on north of the 49th. I'm still searching for any military trucks that we used but found this Mercury on a Canadian Civil Defence video. The 50's video is hilarious and serious all at the same time, but mostly hilarious. Can't link the video but it can be found here. https://www.facebook.com/CanadianCivilDefenceMuseumAsscociation/

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The size of the sirens or the hoods are hard to see up on the pole so we put some items on it for scale.

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Cool comes from the base of the same siren that sits in the back of the pickup and the leather/riveted belt they used from the drive motor. The base is a Canadian made, turntable style air raid siren from CLM industries. The rest of this siren went to some sort of Blues Brothers car so that's not as cool, but still cool.

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Seeing the old radio sets and items from the 50's in good condition is certainly a treat.

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Our restoration guru spent some time dismantling and cleaning up the Ma-Me-O siren so thought I'd try uploading some pics and add some crazy excitement to the Civil Defence Story.


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We're just a small group and really pioneers in the discovery of Canada's Civil Defence History. The secrets of our preparedness starting in the early 50's is a primary focus of research and this article teases the mind to the many mysteries left to be exposed.

http://madinthehat.blogspot.ca/2013/01/secrets-of-medicine-hat.html

"""""""""""""Packed in dusty crates in the basement is 1960s-era medical equipment to be used in case of an emergency such as a nuclear war.
"Essentially what you've got there is a 200-bed hospital," said Medicine Hat's fire chief Garry Mauch, who recently found out about and toured the site.
"There's cots, there's radiology - X-ray equipment with portable generators - there's operating rooms with the lights and surgical equipment. And there's instructions for using the equipment."
The site is one of 19 across Alberta, and an unknown number across Canada, that date from the 1960s and are under the jurisdiction of Health Canada, he said."""""""""""

In addition to piles of recently declassified documents, we're researching hundreds of news-paper articles, available on our website. They begin to tell stories of buildings that were built and used for 'training' throughout many major cities across our country. Construction began in the early 50's and our Canada Housing and Mortgage Corporation provided "loans" to anyone applying for a permit to construct a "Shelter". Canada Post and Canada Health were apparently used as financial funnels to bury the great expense of Canadian preparedness.

The windowless block building and this cavity under an alley are directly adjacent to a building in Edmonton's inner core that was used for "training" of Civil Defence staff in 1950-53'. How the basements, tunnels and buried structures were intended to be used still remains to be discovered.


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Edmonton's Historical Airport Civil Defence

This is a sample of Edmonton's 'plan for the future' which includes removing a historical airport to make room for more fun folks.


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These are some of the last hangers on the grounds and rumors abound of the American built hangers having shelter caverns under 3' thick concrete floors. We're investigating but it makes sense that a WW11 airport would have hardened areas built into the design.

We're very far behind on exposing the Canadian story in part due to the secrecy between different levels of Government and the bug eyed look we get when we start asking about tunnels and bunkers. We're trying to article as much as we can while it still exists. This is an older article about one of our remaining bunkers, we're still trying to fight for.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/edmont...or-more-than-40-years-looking-to-re-open.html

The American Civil Defense story involved a greater level of public acceptance and involvement it seems. These guys have contained the massive Civil Defense story on this site. http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/
 

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Edmonton Municipal Airport Preparedness

The Mosquito in this photo sits near the South/East end of the airport. In the background are the "American" hangers built around WW11.

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We kept the Mosi in what will possibly be the last remaining hanger on this historic airport.

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In this last photo you can see the same 'parkade' in the background that can be seen in the Mosquito picture. This is about mid-field, looking East toward 500 Wing.

In the foreground is the last visible sign of what was possibly a cavernous structure underneath a large hanger floor slab.

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Very cool M1010plowboy! !
It is such a shame that Edmonton decides to tear the "Muni" down. I believe they should have kept at least some of it for a historical museum or repurpose some of the hangers and other buildings. The last time ideas in Deadmonton, they were just shutting the Muni down for actual provincial flights. I saw the last planes come and go. Quite a few people were there. Most unhappy about the closure.
I would love to go crawling around in some of the old abandoned tunnels to find their secrets. As a kid in Whitehorse my brother and I used to explore abandoned gold, silver mines and a few civil defense bunkers hidden in the woods. Entirely not save but found lots of cool and historical stuff. Just wish we had kept some of the things we had found. In one such bunker we had found a case of canned stew rations dated 1943. Most cans were rusted and the labels rotted away but a few were still legible in plain off white/ beige paper and bold black print.
The Mosquito looks awesome. Whom ever restored her to her original glory did a great job! My father would climb all over that plane. He has been an avid air enthusiasts and pleasure/Bush pilot for most of his life. Since he was 16, believe he said he got his pilots license before his drivers license.
I there any way you could get back to the civil defense bunker. Take a detailed video or email some of the build plans? I am super interested in the watwr purification systems, air purifying/ scrubbing system. Fuel storages, food supplies stocks etc.....
Basically I want to know everything about it. I love that kind of stuff and with the way the economy and the state of the world is going I may have to start digging out my mountain in preparations and need as much detailed info as I can get.
 

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Bunker filtration

One of the reasons we sense a little urgency on this is the reported 'destruction' and irresponsible upkeep of the last publicly funded bunkers built in the 50's and 60's.

We are being led to believe that the bunker in Edmonton was the first 'municipal' bunker in Canada and may be the last muni bunker in Canada.....that any authority is willing to talk about.

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I'll dig through some manufacturer names and get some more details on air management in our 50's nuclear shelter but for now, here's what we think we know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFcRhDtkQyQ
https://itsadisaster.wordpress.com/...bout-radiation-building-expedient-shelter-et/
https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.php/MCR/article/view/17956/22019

Prior to the U.S. Manhattan Project, "Tube Alloys" was the code name for Nuclear R&D Canada used in U.K.'s nuke weapon program sometime in the early 40's.

Radiation Shielding and radioactive isotopes in dust created the demand for innovation. The air system in the Edmonton bunker used a "Positive Pressurization Ionization Scrubbing Unit".

We understand that the air-pressure inside the building was maintained at a higher atmospheric pressure than the outside air.

I don't have a complete understanding of this part yet but somehow, valves in the air-intake and exhaust managed this process once the building was sealed. A state of the art "ionizing" device was used to 'discharge' radiated particles from the outside air that was drawn into the ducting before being circulated within the bunker.

I don't understand how these dust covered isotopes were dispelled after being pulled from the air because the "ionizer" sits inside the building. Maybe the dust was bagged and stored or blown back outside so it's just another part of the story that needs to be discovered.

Tried to load a bunch more photos up for us but I'm still battling some pic loading blues on SS. The motor in the photo is one of many tied into the bunker my insurance broker recently bought and sold.
 
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Brings back some memories for me. In 1974 I worked for the City of Boulder, Colorado. They had a civil defense grant ($$) to survey the entire city, building by building, to determine the buildings survivability and/or suitability to house people in such an emergency. There were still several large bomb shelters in the city but not enough room for everyone. Hospital sub-basements, hotels, banks, power plants, mines, tunnels etc etc. The Nuclear trigger plant was just down the road from Boulder and various NORAD facilities were within a few miles. I think the project itself was a major factor leading to the demise of those facilites. It stirred up too many emotions and anti-nuke sentiments. Several Colorado Universities had government grants to study various aspects of Nuclear Energy in secret as part of the Manhattan Project in the late 1930's and early 1940's. These research facilities are mostly still around, because of the contamination, but sealed off, as I understand it. I am sure the story was similar in a lot of American towns and Canadian as well.

In the mid 1980's, I worked for the city of Denver Colorado on a project to convert and upgrade a lot of the old sirens from National Defense to more Weather/natural related catastrophe's.

Thank you for your post!
 

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Chrysler Powered Buildings

In 1957, my Dad and his new bride, my Mom, moved into a house down the block and across the alley from what we think is Edmonton's first nuclear protected building. They had no idea.

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My sister worked for Alberta disaster services in the 80's and when a killer tornado hit in 1987, she helped run rescue operations from the building's protected communications room. She never told anyone that it was a bunker.

My first insurance broker, who became a great friend, bought the building and has now sold it. It sits vacant ready for a photo-documentory and this is how it looks today. He had no idea what he bought until I found the news articles from the 50's.

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It was supported with Uninterrupted Power Supply and the same Chrysler engine that still exists in the second 1950's bunker just ten blocks away. Who doesn't love a Chrysler?


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The two rear entrances from the original Provincial bunker still exist as well as the base for the communication tower. The building has gone under three major additions and partial interior destruction of the original bunker. Most of the destruction was done by civilian owners who weren't aware of the original historical significance of the building and altered it beyond repair.

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The west section contained 2500 sq. ft. that was self sustaining for 2 weeks.

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The Municipal/ City bunker that sits 10 blocks south is also 2500 sq. ft, all underground . It's back door is nestled in the Mackenzie ravine that connects to the main river valley running through the City.

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Here are a few more crates that have survived and are intended for display in a great big, climate controlled museum someday.

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Man that's awesome!!! So much intentionally hidden history.
Best chance at a bomb/fallout shelter out here is an old well or root cellar. LoL!
OH how I would love to own a facility like that.
If you Google "Deifenbunker" there I quite a few write ups on them. There were two major ones in Ottawa. One was demolished and the other us now a museum.
According to my research, some documents conflicted with others, there were at least one or two build in every province / territory in Canada from the 1950s to 1960s.
Most were all built to self sustainability for at least 30 years according to one article.
The bulk of these facilities were sold off to civilians in later years. Then the government got paranoid and bought most of them back for fear of organized crime groups utilizing them. Then the government demolished them.
I bet with the state of the world some body is banging their head on a wall in the government archives.
There is also a YouTube video about a bunker in the UK that has 60 miles worth of tunnels and huge chambers in excess of 30000 square feet some of them. This super structure is, or was for sale. There was even an M934 that went with it sitting in one corridor.
Sigh. .....
 

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there were at least one or two build in every province / territory in Canada from the 1950s to 1960s.
Most were all built to self sustainability for at least 30 years according to one article.
The bulk of these facilities were sold off to civilians in later years. Then the government got paranoid and bought most of them back for fear of organized crime groups utilizing them. Then the government demolished them.
I had a beer with the lawyer who was part of the effort to re-gain the Penhold facility after the new owner rented space to a bike club. He said it was an embarrassing situation and is referred to at the Metro bar as the Bonker Bunker Blunder. Here's a sad little video of the demise of what could have been a very sharp museum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzsdYD_Hmis


By 1961, there were 6 out of 10 completed, hardened, ventilated underground structures recorded in Civil Defence preparations in Alberta. From the Gerhart building downtown Edmonton to the most secretive project covered under the guise of a new maternity hospital in West Edmonton.

Here are some of what I think are the most important stories coming from those who served the Diefenbunker "Iceberg". The buildings, vehicles and items are neat but the stories of individuals that hooked up together to provide a COG in Continental Defence are the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ejb9_H844


I also found info from a Downtown Survey conducted in 61' that there were enough 'shelters' in downtown Edmonton to house 70,000 + people while the staff, employees and visitors that occupied those spaces only numbered 29,000 individuals. We were trying to be ready. "Many" businesses had already developed internal preparedness plans knowing hiding was only a back-up plan to escaping the City.

Here's a little walk around the 1st known Canadian "Iceberg". You can dance if you want to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV3ck9xPmW8


Even though the Americans transferred military vehicles into the Civil Defence program, we're not seeing many Canadian, ex-military vehicles used by Canadians. Lots of Civilian Vehicles were used like the Mobile Civil Defence unit in Lethbridge so more vehicle hunting is on the list. Here are two examples of civilian Vehicles......

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