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Civilian trucks in the military

We came close to a deal this weekend but it's not quite the project truck we want. This old Ford has been hiding next to a neighbour's barn for a long time. I'm thinking folks may spot the difference so the hunt for that toothy grill continues.


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Civil Defence Potential

Through our contacts at the http://www.fortsask.ca/residents/culture/heritage/museum, we stumbled on yet another link to a survival plan that started after WW11. Working with the City and their historians we are slowly peeling away layers of mystery to disclose as much info to the greater public as we can.

We discovered this building was constructed as a post office in Fort Saskatchewan in the 50's. When asked if the original design was intended to be used as a fall-out shelter, the answer floored me. "Yes, and it's all still down there".

Access is being discussed and we're hoping that we can take everyone on a tour. Our "primary" research was more about finding vehicles used in Canadian Civil Defence so the spin-offs are a pleasant surprise.

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The following pictures are part of a public tunnel system which began its life in WW11. The depths that the 40's and 50's Planning Commission undertook to resolve some of the challenges in the atomic age are just beginning to be understood.

Everything is already public information so just thought I'd lock some more history into SS.


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Civil Defence PA

We're one step closer to building an A&W Civil Defence cruiser with a couple of tweeters on the roof. The horns are a little different than the CD system on this car so if someone can explain what these are all about before I do the research, let us have it.



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One of the coolest things about a lousy economy is driving everywhere to bid on and hunt for projects. This weeks adventure discovered a Warning Siren at a town 40 miles West of Edmonton. I've been doing parades here since I bought my M1010 in 09'. Never had an interest in this stuff so drove by it and didn't noticed. The town said they test it regularily and we'll be video-recording the next test.

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The previous adventure to the aforementioned post office bunker, netted us a visit. That's right,,,,,, I just crawled out of yet another declassified Nuclear Bunker. Not even the town archivist knew what would be in the basement.

This inconspicuous building with the Canadian motto, from Sea to Sea, written on the door handles in Latin was introduced to us today. We will be doing a story in greater detail on the building itself but for now I'll give my Steel Soldier team the following;

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This map, from 1964, was still hanging on the wall. A few more treasures were also still pinned to the walls and it was clear that the building was used as a Canadian Civil Defence training facility. The current owner of the building used this space to store a few items and never had time to clean it.......for 50 years. We were very thankful. It's a time-capsule.

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The 1955 stamp is on a fire resistant door on a room that may have held supplies. That's the exec-director.....staring at concrete.

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Before we entered the boiler room, we were told the boilers were 'replaced'. What they meant was, left in place and the system was upgraded. The original boilers were still there. Grab me some coal.

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We also found an article that chases the money to 3 ton trucks. We now have a lead onto a time period where council minutes should reveal exactly what trucks were used to support Civil Defence, specifically.

This old girl can be tied to the story only after 1959 where the Department of National Defence would become involved in "Warning" and "No Warning" preparations.

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Today we helped the local archivist remove the 1960's posters from the shelter walls and begin the preservation process for paper documents. Most were laid flat on a plastic sheet and covered with more plastic for transport back to the rendering building. It seems like over-kill for a few maps of nuclear preparedness but these will be the only documents remaining that tell the early story of a dynamic and continuously modified plan.

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The documents we are discovering clearly outline our pre-ICBM plans for complete public participation in hunkering down in isolated towns. Most areas around Edmonton were already bunkered by 1955.

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While traveling to the "reception" towns spread out around our target area....I found my toothy grinned truck and a commemorative cannon. Tomorrow, we measure and document the inside of the blast shelter within the bunker which will confirm if this is the shelter approved by Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower.

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I thought you might like this pic:
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First retest is 1962 so its about a 1952 bottle, sadly it sits empty as my local welding supply stores (3 different companies) will not guarantee me getting my bottle back anymore and I am not going to chance losing it.
 

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Thanks for that picture, can't be many of those left. That bottle may have served time in the Heavy Rescue trucks that would have been first into a populated area after a strike. It should be saved for a display piece but you guys keep spelling Defence wrong so it is a golden piece of American History without a doubt. The story in the U.S. has been compiled and told much more thoroughly than we've done up here so if there is another one, these guys should have a picture. http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/

The Rescue side http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/rescueserv/index.html

Oxy Acetylene bottles are listed as RE 41 on this page so that ties it right back to the early planning stages, very cool. http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/rescueserv/equip/sm14-1Page47.jpg

This site is doing some great stuff as well and is the home of my Grandmother from the Gregg family, http://www.michigancivildefense.com/

We were able to link a rental agreement in 1961 for $13.75 / month, to the training manual blue-prints, to a real-time demonstration shelter that was built in the early 60's. From concept, to drawings, to production.

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One of the maps outlines a few dozen more buildings we need to check-out before WE check-out so the hunt continues.

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I added this chopped beetle to show how some of the newspapers look when we first open them......and its a good looking beetle.

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If you can figure out how to get it to Canada you can have it! If you can replace it with one with a recent cert I would be happy...but truthfully if you can get you can have it. I won't take a chance of loosing so its doing me no good empty here.
 

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That's awesome!!!
I wish I knew this stuff was hidden under my feet when I lived there in my younger days. Went to school in Ardrossan and called Sherwood Park my stomping grounds.
So much hidden or forgotten history.
If you could squeeze that M37 into a box and send it my way I would be super grateful. The cannon would be great to if it decided it needed a new home!!
Hard to believe that back in the day people would rely on a 14 foot by 8 foot cinder block walled room to keep them safe from a nuclear attack and corresponding fallout.
 

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Great thread plowboy! FYI there's a few air raid sirens scattered around Cold Lake. I don't think they're ever tested as I've never heard a peep in 20 years! I know enough people in the City, Base or Fire Services to maybe "rescue" one, lol. My uncle flew fighters here in the 60's and 70's and told me they had gold laminated visors on their helmets to protect them from the nuc flash. Not sure how true that is but it sounded cool growing up.
 

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Great thread plowboy! FYI there's a few air raid sirens scattered around Cold Lake. I don't think they're ever tested as I've never heard a peep in 20 years! I know enough people in the City, Base or Fire Services to maybe "rescue" one, lol. My uncle flew fighters here in the 60's and 70's and told me they had gold laminated visors on their helmets to protect them from the nuc flash. Not sure how true that is but it sounded cool growing up.
These are the stories that get buried if we don't tell them so I'd love to hear more about your Uncle.

If you want to make the initial contacts we'd be sure to make ourselves available for a Cold Lake Rescue, just let me know. We're currently getting ready for a pick-up in Medicine Hat for 3 sirens. We are being asked to restore one for the trade-off of having a few more donated to our inventory.

Tomorrow, we visit the tunnels and bunkers in Camrose for the first time. So much development is being done we're bulldozing a ton of secret history and we're just trying to photo-document anything that's left.

Besides the post-war civilian/military vehicles, we'd like to find and preserve one of each of the following so let the wife drive and keep your eyes in the fields.

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Tunnels and bunkers in Camrose?! God I wish my relatives knew about this stuff. My mother's whole side of the family still lives there in Camrose!!
Ran around that town way back in the day when it was a third the size it is now. Having French fries with my grandpa while he yapped with farming buddies at the York Cafe, which became the silver Dragon and now might be something else.
Hmmmm.
Your looking for a water buffalo are you?
Pretty sure I saw one on k**** in bc.
I will have another look.
 

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Sounds like your are having fun.... Two of those vehicles you have on your list are pretty common still. The water buffalo and the M43CDN ambulance are around. In a pinch, both were used in the US and can be found. The water trailers were repurposed for lots of things after being condemned for drinking water. Around here, they can be seen as fire tankers and even fuel. You should be able to find a restorable M43CDN ambulance out your way. Parts, other than the ambulance body and interior are shared with the M37, M37CDN, M43 and M152CDN. The other one, with the crane will be a tough one, as they were likely worked to death after being released from government service. But, you may just find one in the back of a junk yard or hidden in a contractors yard behind 50 yrs of other stuff.
In the Nanaimo area, a mini Diefenbunker existed at the Nanaimo Army Camp until some years ago, when they finally filled it in. I regret not getting any pictures during visits but at the time, cameras were frowned upon at military establishments. Lots of history has gone over the years and many people don't even know what history that many small town airports have, being part of the Commonwealth Air Training Program during WW2. The hangers and other buildings at many are/were in use long after the military were done. Its all fascinating stuff and all over the place once you get interested enough to start looking.
 

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Tunnels and bunkers in Camrose?! God I wish my relatives knew about this stuff. My mother's whole side of the family still lives there in Camrose!!
Ran around that town way back in the day when it was a third the size it is now. Having French fries with my grandpa while he yapped with farming buddies at the York Cafe, which became the silver Dragon and now might be something else.
Hmmmm.
Your looking for a water buffalo are you?
Pretty sure I saw one on k**** in bc.
I will have another look.
PM some names to me and I'll ask our Camrose escort if we can set up tours for the long lived locals. We've had some success with our Historic Resources Board to slow down the destruction process so we can...at the very least......take pictures.
It's very clear that we're quietly hiding history that was paid for by the public and we're making sure they know what we think about that. All the new preparations are already in the ground so why not tell the story about how we prepared from 49' through 89'. The kids have little knowledge of why we still have clean drinking water let alone a 50's survival plan getting ready for nuclear war. If we provided the uranium for the first 2 nuclear devices, people should be told.

We've been given some heavy info about the existing 'buildings' and as Juskatla says, we're filling things in that have nothing to do with our current national security. The Currie Barracks, Greisbach the underground hospitals are being developed by "Canada Lands" or Health and welfare and the DUMBS are becoming lakes...without documentation of their presence. We just want to bring awareness and tell the stories of how quietly deep we really were.......like this article from 53'.

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Early Ford Diesel UPS generator

We found some crazy stuff today but I'm not a diesel dude so who's got their head around the ERA of this early Ford Diesel??

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In a closed off room behind the generator room were 7 massive tanks with our choice of water or diesel.

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This GM fire-truck was hiding in a barn and the valve cover is identical to my 302's. It said 1948 on the truck and I'll throw a guess out there that its the old 270 cu in. It's a stovebolt but I'm not sure if there were more blocks that would fit the same GM covers that the CCKW and G749 had.

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Also in the bunker was this funky device mounted on the side of an intake vent. Once again, the guess would be some type of atmospheric pressure sensing device that would allow the building to automate a pressurized system inside.

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Camrose labelled this trailer....We're sharing our secrets.....and they sure are.

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Who the heck is responsible for coming up with the radar detector??

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Things are lookin' up!

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I would hazard a guess that the American Radar Corporation made the radar detector. Just a guess though I could be wrong.

The generator looks to be an early 1980's Ford/Dover diesel engine. They were made in the Essex plant by Ford.
The engine displacement of the 6 cylinder model that is there is 6218cc.

The 1948 GMC 3 ton had the 270 engine according to the research I found. Please correct me if I am wrong somebody.

The funky thing mounted on the side of the intake vent... ionizer? De humidifier ? Atomizing laser shield for nucleic isotopes??
Seems odd that there wood be a huge coal burner furnace down there.

Really great history hunting Plowboy! ! Wish more people would tell their stories and share some of our hidden histories.
 

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I would hazard a guess that the American Radar Corporation made the radar detector. Just a guess though I could be wrong.

The generator looks to be an early 1980's Ford/Dover diesel engine. They were made in the Essex plant by Ford.
The engine displacement of the 6 cylinder model that is there is 6218cc.

The 1948 GMC 3 ton had the 270 engine according to the research I found. Please correct me if I am wrong somebody.

The funky thing mounted on the side of the intake vent... ionizer? De humidifier ? Atomizing laser shield for nucleic isotopes??
Seems odd that there wood be a huge coal burner furnace down there.

Really great history hunting Plowboy! ! Wish more people would tell their stories and share some of our hidden histories.
Thanks buddy, that made me laugh. Good info on the GM and I got some veteran support on the 270 guess today. The Exec put over 80 pics up on the CCDMA face-off site today and his pictures include some better Ford pics. We see 1966 on the tanks but that generator could have been upgraded at some point. There are a lot of 60's tags on the ducting and other items that are still operational today so we sure built things to last back in the day. Greatly appreciate the research.

We did some photocopying before we left the tunnels and the staff loaned us their tape dispenser....Here's a pic for the ladies.

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This site is open to the public so you don't need to be signed into facebook to see the pics. If anyone is a member we'd sure dig a click on LIKE if something makes you smile.

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More new discoveries

It's been a busy month for the CCDMA with Civil Defence finds by the kids that went to support the Fort Mcmurray folks, a collection of new/old stretchers, air raid siren inquiries in Cold Lake, the newspaper clipping of the first Russian jet in Western hands a newly discovered bunker, ancient pics of an air raid siren at my old high school, the Canadian addiction to big shiny 60's coffee pots in a non-disclosed bunker and more new reading. Here are a few pics.

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A big part of our developing CCDMA is the amazing love we've received in many of the towns surrounding my home 'target' City of Edmonton. We presented a display recently at the Wetaskiwin Airshow to show a part of the donations the City of Wetaskiwin Archive provided to our new museum group. http://www.wetaskiwin.ca/index.aspx?NID=107

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Setting up the displays and educating the public about the Canadian and Continental Cold War history, along with the MV displays is a blast. The Wetaskiwin team not only provided the crated Mobile Feeding Unit, they continue to dig up relevant documentation that is leading us into a deeper understanding of just how far underground we really went.

A wee part of our collection.

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With our growing group still in our infancy we are mostly self funded with some small donations coming in so all we ask for currently....is that you 'like' our facebook page....if you like it. You don't need to be a 'facebooker' to see the hundreds of pages of info so head on over and take in some history. https://www.facebook.com/CanadianCivilDefenceMuseumAsscociation/
 
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