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FMVSS when? When the contract was awarded? When the exact HMMWV in question rolled off the line? Today?So, they are not compliant to fmvss?
Just like every other MV, they don't need to be. That's been the position of the NHTSA: https://isearch.nhtsa.gov/gm/94/nht94-1.78.htmlSo, they are not compliant to fmvss?
Anything over 25 years need not be fmvss compliant like skylines defenders and other cool grey market rides.
Hmm, can't say that I recall one. When ari indicated that he knew of no MVs with the FMVSS sticker, I simply advised that mine had them. There was no mention of "other than CUCVs" and that is all I own now!THAT is an EPA compliant engine. I assume it is in a HMMWV. Recovry4x4, where is the FMVSS sticker on any MVs other than CUCVs? I haven't found one on my M923 or M985.
The paper trail is there and will stay there , buyers of EUC item are suppose to inform anyone they sell it to about the terms of the sale and keep records of who they sold it to . The insurance company can't take the stance that the majority of the HWWMV's are sold with the OFF ROAD ONLY clause and make you prove it did not have it when released .First, if you are the second buyer from someone who owned it and has a legit title how would you ever know if it had an "Off road use only" stamp on it? Not all hmmwvs have this restriction.
Second, if the state approved it I would say my lawyer would shift the burdon to the state.
Third, how would the insurance company ever find out if your truck even had that restriction placed upon it. You think the DMV or the original sellers keep all the papers organized. My guess is as soon as that sf97 gets turned in for a title it goes in the trash. Also, we all know how hard it is to get any information from the govt, good luck for that insurance company to connect the dots.
Thanks ryanruck for bringing this information into the conversation. The attached list has links to certain sections of the Federal Motor vehicle safety act that are relevant to it scope and application, some additional NHTSA letters, also some state-level information that may be of interest, and also some references for how the EPA ban was resolved.Just like every other MV, they don't need to be. That's been the position of the NHTSA: https://isearch.nhtsa.gov/gm/94/nht94-1.78.html
hahahahahahahaha. This forum is waaaay too funny for me. Keep it going though, it's very entertaining.So what happens when you take a vehicle specified for off road use only, and you agree in the end user agreement it is for off road use only, and you find a way to get an on road title...and then you get in an accident? Will your insurance company cover you when they discover you did exactly what you agreed not to do by buying a vehicle declared to be not road worthy and for off road use only? Could you not be at risk of a huge lawsuit if someone got hurt?
A couple points were already addressed by Behr.So what happens when you take a vehicle specified for off road use only, and you agree in the end user agreement it is for off road use only, and you find a way to get an on road title...and then you get in an accident? Will your insurance company cover you when they discover you did exactly what you agreed not to do by buying a vehicle declared to be not road worthy and for off road use only? Could you not be at risk of a huge lawsuit if someone got hurt?
That is a great resource! Thanks for sharing it cwc! I find that link to the MIL-STD-1180B document especially interesting and will be reading through that, and the rest, for sure.Thanks ryanruck for bringing this information into the conversation. The attached list has links to certain sections of the Federal Motor vehicle safety act that are relevant to it scope and application, some additional NHTSA letters, also some state-level information that may be of interest, and also some references for how the EPA ban was resolved.
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Okay one thing that needs to be cleared up around here is the EUC, it is used to prevent sales to enemies of the USA. It doesn't say you can't sell out of the country but you have to tell if you are going to. It is giving the federal government a paper trail to hang you with if you sell a military vehicle to ISIS. There are many sent overseas every week, back when 939's still required a EUC I sent many to Germany, you just have to tell the state department what you are doing. The EUC has nothing to do with whether the vehicle is used on or off road.So what happens when you take a vehicle specified for off road use only, and you agree in the end user agreement it is for off road use only, and you find a way to get an on road title...and then you get in an accident? Will your insurance company cover you when they discover you did exactly what you agreed not to do by buying a vehicle declared to be not road worthy and for off road use only? Could you not be at risk of a huge lawsuit if someone got hurt?
That is why we want to legally get these on the road. We know that what we are buying isn't street legal. The idea is to find out what we need to do to make it such. Be that a louder horn, adding a 3rd brake light, DOT approved seatbelts, etc. No one is advocating finding ways to skirt the laws just to get it on the road. If you have it legally on the road properly insured and have an accident, there is no issue. Now if you pull some grey market title and registration and have an accident, your insurance could deny coverage then you are at risk of a huge lawsuit. Individually you have no worries over a huge lawsuit. You don't have big money. The lawyers that bring these big suits only go after deep pockets. That is part of the reason you have IP and DLA stating that these are not road worthy. Those lawyers would go after them in a heart beat if they could tie them to an accident.So what happens when you take a vehicle specified for off road use only, and you agree in the end user agreement it is for off road use only, and you find a way to get an on road title...and then you get in an accident? Will your insurance company cover you when they discover you did exactly what you agreed not to do by buying a vehicle declared to be not road worthy and for off road use only? Could you not be at risk of a huge lawsuit if someone got hurt?
so do I probably be easier to get it street legal rather than street "legal" lol.I still want a tank
Don't know about your insurance company, mine requires photos from all sides, They know what they are insuring when I apply for coverage on all my vehicles.So what happens when you take a vehicle specified for off road use only, and you agree in the end user agreement it is for off road use only, and you find a way to get an on road title...and then you get in an accident? Will your insurance company cover you when they discover you did exactly what you agreed not to do by buying a vehicle declared to be not road worthy and for off road use only? Could you not be at risk of a huge lawsuit if someone got hurt?
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