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1998 LMTV Hot transmission - No drive

MrGoldman

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Hi everyone,
I am in the process of un hack jobbing my 1998 LMTV, previous owner did some questionable things, I've already replace the motor due to a cracked block.
I had the driveshafts balanced and then did a test drive, transmission felt great - smooth shifts and no issues over 50 or so miles.

The next day I went on about a 120 mile highway and city trip, about 60 mi in I got a transmission temp light and wasnt able to pull over right away but when I did it shut off. Fluid level looked good (maybe a bit high) right before and during this entire trip, it was 95F outside. Engine temp crept near 195 for a bit but never over that.

Once I got to my destination, I noticed the transfer case was smoking and leaking a bit out of the case seal, thermal gun showed the transfer case was 325F, Let it cool for an hour or so and then started the drive home, took back roads and checked the t-case a few times, always around 220f.

I was 20 miles from home and it came up with a trans temp light and went into "6" on the controller, 100 yards later It lost all forward motion and gears. I re-started the truck and would have gears for 10ft or so but very weak.

Had it towed and drained all trans fluids as well as the t-case, nothing came out to indicate a C6 needle bearing failure (diagnosed by the LMTV facebook group), Filters look fine, scavenge line is clear and scavenge pump looks fine. Fluid smells terrible. Got about 7gallons out total.

What else should I check before putting new filters and fluids in and trying to drive it again? I didnt pull codes before pulling fluid out but can once I re-start it.
 

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Skyhawk13205

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Dug a bit deeper, Found the oil screen on the transmission to transfer case scavenge line.
Chunky metal, looks like bearing. Anyone have experience with this ? Was going to pull the upper rear cover next.
What is your transmission SN? Looks like the C6 thrust bearing. Usually that is a rebuild of the 6 clutch assembly which requires to remove the transmission. Check out Allison service letter 17-wt-11 it specifies an updated c6 thrust bearing to a composite washer. Also see service letter 28-wt-96 it gives the SN breakpoint for the bearings that are subject to increased failure.
 

MrGoldman

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What is your transmission SN? Looks like the C6 thrust bearing. Usually that is a rebuild of the 6 clutch assembly which requires to remove the transmission. Check out Allison service letter 17-wt-11 it specifies an updated c6 thrust bearing to a composite washer. Also see service letter 28-wt-96 it gives the SN breakpoint for the bearings that are subject to increased failure.
Ill grab the SN in the morning when I get back to the truck, Do you think this overheating could have caused further damaged to the internal clutches?

Where would I find those Allison service letters? A quick google is not finding them for me.

Is their a guide somewhere that would cover the rebuild? I can get the trans out pretty easily but would need something before I pulled it apart.

Thanks!
 

Ronmar

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here are some of the discussions on this with lots of excellent pics...


 

MrGoldman

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here are some of the discussions on this with lots of excellent pics...


Thats incredibly helpful, thanks. It looks like a tear down is in my future, I'd rather replace a $300 bearing than a $3000 transmission. Worth a shot at least.
 

Ronmar

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the issue is that for the parts you found in the strainer to exit the P6 housing, they have to chew their way thru the clutch pack and splined aluminum housing/cover, with the aluminum housing being the weakest link...
 

MrGoldman

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the issue is that for the parts you found in the strainer to exit the P6 housing, they have to chew their way thru the clutch pack and splined aluminum housing/cover, with the aluminum housing being the weakest link...

Gotcha.... So buying a used trans is my best opinion probably. And changing the c6 out before it fails if it's in the range
 
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