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What batteries do I need

Mogman

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That's clean. Where did you install your ground disconnect? I'd like to do the same but haven't settled on a location for it. Would like it somewhat hidden, like in the back of the battery box accessible in the right rear passenger foot well but then again I know myself on how this will play out. I'll get in my truck and yell "Dang it- I forgot to turn on the batteries!" and I'll have to get out, walk around, turn it on, and get back in. So maybe thinking I'll put the cut off in on the front of the box so I can lean over and turn it. I'll have to sit in my truck and do some exercises to see where I can put it within reach but not so it's obviously in sight for all to see.
To fully protect it requires a dual (DPST) or two battery switches, one on the ground cable and one disconnecting the 12V tap. Originally two wires, one to the alt and one to the trans.
I recommend a Hella (rated for 2500A for 10 seconds!) for the ground and the little puny more common switch for the 12V, this also gives you a convenient "key" that can be removed from the ground switch,
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Wow- that Hella switch is a helluva switch! :)

I'll look for a DPST to keep it simple, probably one with a key.
Just be careful on what you settle on, you cannot beat physics, one of the most important things about a high current switch is the pressure applied to the contacts, just as important as the surface area of the contacts, when you crank down on that Hella switch you get the idea.
I have never seen a switch that you could turn on and off with a "regular" type key that feels like it is up the the job.
And of course anything Chicom is pure junk, even the type switch I use to switch the 12V is rated for 500A but if you can find the actual ratings it is only for about 3 seconds, plenty enough for day in and day out use but the day you have problems and have to crank excessively on the starter they can fail and I had one fail like that on a tractor, and that is not usually a great time to add to your problems, The Hella's are not that expensive if you shop around for them.
I am sure there are other switches that are up to the job, I just have not found anything better than the Hella for the money.
 

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That's clean. Where did you install your ground disconnect?
I used a 200 amp rated battery disconnect that is used in caterpillar earth moving equipment.
Kinda blends in and isn't super obvious

I made a mounting plate to install it in the STE/ICE hole. Had custom made heavy gage cables made to make the run. Sealed up the STE/ICE cap and tied it off underneath out of the way

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Wow- that's the cleanest, slickest install I've ever seen for a battery disconnect. Very well done.

And yes, that's the 'keyed' type of disconnect I was thinking about myself. I have an old Cat excavator and dozer I use at our land to clear cedar so I'm used to battery disconnects that handle 2 pairs of group 31's in parallel (yes, that's 4 batts in total) to crank big diesels. Two group 31's in series put out 950 amps so adding another set in parallel is pushing 1900amps for starting. So yeah, I'm pretty sure anything made by Cat that fits in big yellow iron will easily handle a couple of group 24s in series pushing 700amps for starting a HMMWV. On that note, I'm pretty sure your disconnect is rated for 200amps continuous but maybe 1000? amps intermittent for starting, if not more?

Again, that's a very nice install. Thanks for sharing.
 
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Again if you are running anything off of the 12V "tap" trans, etc off of the batteries you need to disconnect the ground and the 12V tap wires to be fully protected, if you only disconnect the ground and then try to pull a 24V load you will reverse polarity the 12V equipment, the TPS and the regulator seem to tolerate this but as expensive as both of those are I would not want to test it, and any other 12V loads may not tolerate it at all.
 

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Mogman is correct on the reverse polarity thing for the 12V system. While I'm sure the 12V systems are protected from a reverse polarity scenario...this is still a military system designed and built by the lowest bidder so I agree with the dual protections.

On a side note, the 12V concern is only for the 4L80E equipped HMMWV's, correct? The 3 speed 3L80E version doesn't have a 12V system, right?
 

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Mogman is correct on the reverse polarity thing for the 12V system. While I'm sure the 12V systems are protected from a reverse polarity scenario...this is still a military system designed and built by the lowest bidder so I agree with the dual protections.

On a side note, the 12V concern is only for the 4L80E equipped HMMWV's, correct? The 3 speed 3L80E version doesn't have a 12V system, right?
3 speed trucks with the 60 amp alternator don't.
Some 3 speed trucks do have either 100 or 200 amp dual voltage alternators, so in those cases it's a matter of whether the 12V tap is hooked up to the batteries or not. It's not required, but often hooked up as it helps keep the batteries balanced without rotating them on a regular basis.
 

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Mogman is correct on the reverse polarity thing for the 12V system. While I'm sure the 12V systems are protected from a reverse polarity scenario...this is still a military system designed and built by the lowest bidder so I agree with the dual protections.

On a side note, the 12V concern is only for the 4L80E equipped HMMWV's, correct? The 3 speed 3L80E version doesn't have a 12V system, right?
Any vehicle that is using a 12V tap between the batteries, this would be all 4 speed HMMWV's but some folks are using the tap on 3 speed HMMWV's for other reasons, I have seen fire departments fry expensive radios on 2 1/2 ton trucks using a negative switch only, they forget to switch the batteries on jump in and try to start the truck, then wonder why their radio won't work. Irregardless of the fact they should not be pulling 12V off of that system anyway.
 

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I'am going to jump into the mix with another way to disconnect batteries... with an understanding that one does not want Mr. HumV to drain batteries when not in use, security concerns or hibernating for the winter.

Any truck, any transmission... remove the front to rear battery jumper. Place quality SPST disconnect switch ( see pix) to break the circuit between the front negative to rear positive. All 4 speed / 4L80 with a proper functioning distribution panel leave it factory for the 12 volt rear battery when that panel feed is connected to the rear battery positive. Also the 14 Volt alternator / equalizer feed at this connection. too. There should be NO drain on either battery. HumV now sleeping.

Those that have the need for 12 Volts to power external equipment... It's recommended practice to have the external 12 Volt buss fused and switched.

This becomes your "12 Volt Accessories Buss Disconnect" Doesn't have to be some 600 Amp big bucks switch when rated appropriately for the 12 Volt load needed. It will be up to the operator to understand the use of such arrangement. Think 🤔 ... need some 12 Volts to play the radio, run the CB for a short time OK. Like I said... you're the operator. Know your system, train for the mission.

Check the ratings of disconnect switch too. Most will handle holding current loads and one is not switching under high load.

There are many ways to handle this scenario. Sooo jump in.............. :jumpin:

Space to earth... what's with all the switches in the Command Module... Houston.

No problem here, CAMO

This one gets it done, basic truck, no need for accessories 12 Volts.
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This two pole can do both circuits when wired correctly.
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I'am going to jump into the mix with another way to disconnect batteries... with an understanding that one does not want Mr. HumV to drain batteries when not in use, security concerns or hibernating for the winter.

Any truck, any transmission... remove the front to rear battery jumper. Place quality SPST disconnect switch ( see pix) to break the circuit between the front negative to rear positive. All 4 speed / 4L80 with a proper functioning distribution panel leave it factory for the 12 volt rear battery when that panel feed is connected to the rear battery positive. Also the 14 Volt alternator / equalizer feed at this connection. too. There should be NO drain on either battery. HumV now sleeping.

Those that have the need for 12 Volts to power external equipment... It's recommended practice to have the external 12 Volt buss fused and switched.

This becomes your "12 Volt Accessories Buss Disconnect" Doesn't have to be some 600 Amp big bucks switch when rated appropriately for the 12 Volt load needed. It will be up to the operator to understand the use of such arrangement. Think 🤔 ... need some 12 Volts to play the radio, run the CB for a short time OK. Like I said... you're the operator. Know your system, train for the mission.

Check the ratings of disconnect switch too. Most will handle holding current loads and one is not switching under high load.

There are many ways to handle this scenario. Sooo jump in.............. :jumpin:

Space to earth... what's with all the switches in the Command Module... Houston.

No problem here, CAMO

This one gets it done, basic truck, no need for accessories 12 Volts.
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This two pole can do both circuits when wired correctly.
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If you have the trans and alt connected to the rear battery positive and do not disconnect the ground cable from that battery you still have 12V feed going to the alt and trans.
 

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And just to clarify, yes, there is a 12V feed to the transmission controller through a 24V relay controlled by the truck's start switch; there is a second wire that feeds it 12V all the time directly.
 

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If you have the trans and alt connected to the rear battery positive and do not disconnect the ground cable from that battery you still have 12V feed going to the alt and trans.
Yes... (y)I see that the 12 / 14 Volts would be going to the alternator and the transmission controller. I don't have a 4 speed trans or dual alternator rig... SOooo you are right, that my suggestion / thinking may be flawed when looking for simpler disconnect...BUT on a 60 Amp / 3 speed truck it works. (y)

So my question to those 🤔... How does the alternator 12 / 14 Volt output load the terminal in question? Q2 the continuous 12 Volt connection to the TCM. What is it use for and its current drain. (leaky diode in the alternator or TCM keep alive circuit)

My yes number two❓... guys looking to "CLEAR" any loading or drain on batteries are going to lift the positive and negative in the string and that isolation would do it... about the only way.... short (no pun) of removing the batteries Or the big expensive switch or switching arrangement with contactors to do the job. (still going to have to source contactor coil control to energize, requiring some rewiring. Aah the whole concept is rewire LOL.

There are solid-state jobbies that can do it at BIG $$$$$$ +$$
Yes number 3... I'll drink to that:beer:, CAMO
 
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For the dual 12v/24v systems, the simplest way to truly isolate both batteries is to use the DPST like Mogman said earlier. I've been researching "American" DPST battery disconnects and found a few options out there. See attached.

There are more ways to skin this 12v/24v cat but we've already hijacked and thrashed the OP's simple question of what batteries to use...
 

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