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It sounds to me from what MG said that the line pull rating for the 2.5 GarWood is rated 10000 but that's on the full drum. On an empty drum it gets even more capable. And don't get me wrong guys I like the PTO winches. I have an LU-4 on my M-37 and a Ramsey 8000 on my 66 Chevy 3/4 ton 4X4...

How well do the winches work? Nice trucks BTW and some good prices for good trucks.

All good points MG. And I'm sure the breakage problems and failures have a lot to do with the age of the winch and cable rather than original equipment capability. Line speed is a very good point. And no recharging. So the GarWood 10,000 sounds like it is underated rather than the Braiden LU-4...

The electric winches should get the job done. The factory GarWood is only rated for 10,000 lbs and they break the shear pin or worse if you exceede that rating. The GarWood has 210 feet of "cable" while the Warn has 75 feet. That is the major downside that I see.

With or without the auto winder?

I have found them for about $2600 all set up. You can get them 12 or 24 volt. They are Warn Industrial winches. The biggest they make,18000lb. winch, comes with 75 feet of cable. What I have been told is you really need the auto winder to go with the winch or the cable gets messed up on the...