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I'm not really "grasping" at anything, I'm just seeing an irregular fact pattern. And yes, some things will say "DOT" on them when they are already commercially available. But (and this might be a stretch) for something like the M/T tire designed and developed (I assume exclusively) for the...

Then why did the NHTSA define it legally as a "motor vehicle"? Why did AM General equip it with DOT approved equipment? The reason is likely legal and regulatory. What is the MIL equivalent of the FMVSS that it was required to meet?

So they admit to the NHTSA that it was designed for 60% road use, and then declare it's not designed for road use. In my opinion, they are just trying to cover themselves because there are some inherent design flaws in these vehicles. Such as the spindle lock nut. And still, they tried to...

Because horses were common. And a politician who advocated for restricting the free use of horses would have been drawn and quartered by said horses. But... AUTOMOBILES were owned by the 1%. So it was easy to tax them. Register them. Etc, etc. Divide and conquer is what politicians do...

And this is the confusing part to me in Virginia's case. If they're saying it's an unsafe vehicle, then they're in effect telling me that the Virginia Safety Inspection is not adequate, even for a home built truck. The vehicle already passed the required inspection. To me, it simply comes...

It's likely that the person you spoke with is not a lawyer, and chose words that were not crafted particularly well. The local DMVs absolutely believe that the "Off Road Use Only" stamp on the SF97 is a decree from the Feds. Heck, the letter in my possession from the commissioner of the VA DMV...

In 5 years, how does someone determine whether a titled HMMWV that is for sale is from the ORUO lot or the legit lot? How would a DMV determine it?

Negative. The concern wasn't about which party is incorrect. The concern was that there are conflicting positions within the department, and that somehow it is my fault and my burden to bear when their facts aren't straight. So I went and found one of the people who agreed with the first...

Oops. :D

The owner of the Neon didn't have a title, I asked the DMV if this was okay, and I was given things I could do to make it okay. So I did those things. I didn't have two pennies to rub together, full time in college in engineering, working full time, training for another job driving buses. The...

The vehicle(s) are located in Georgia, which is why I think they used Georgia. I could be wrong.

I agree about the Hold Harmless Agreement. But it is nonetheless something they try to wave around and say "See, you signed this!". To which I can say "no I didn't". I am still talking to the director of Vehicle Services at the DMV, and the commissioner is involved at this point. They told...

It didn't have a title when sold by GP, they obtained one and as an option for a little while gave it to us instead of the Bill of Sale or SF97 option. The SF97 from the Marine Corps is signed over directly to GovPlanet. The clear Georgia title is something that GovPlanet no longer does, as...

I am 95% sure I never signed a Hold Harmless Agreement. The reason for the different conditions seems to come down to who the originating branch is. The Army trucks and even some Air Force trucks seem to say ORUO and are 1985-1994 trucks. The Marine Corps M1123 trucks are 1998-2005ish and are...

And they have already tried that by saying that Humvees are used by the military on the roads of VA, but only in a limited capacity so it's not a big deal. And then they said it was clearly designed as an off road vehicle. To which I called BS, and supplied the letters from NHTSA to AM General...

The DMV would argue that the Federal Government said it was not worthy for road use, and they are the authority. If you have any questions, contact the NHTSA. <-- that's essentially what the letter I was forwarded says. It's not just little Timmy with a Honda Civic saying so.

Responses in green above. I'm not sure if you WERE directing it at me... but it seemed like you were. :)

Yes, my truck was purchased directly from GovPlanet. No Hold Harmless Agreement was ever signed at all, and if they had tried to get me to sign one that said off road use only I would have scratched that part out and signed it. If that was not allowed, I would have not taken the truck. Every...

I don't disagree with what you're saying. What I was told is that they were getting ready to send letters out and start the process of revoking plates, they were still in the phase of drawing up the letters. The reason I responded to you is because I value this site and the people on it...

That isn't a full description of the problem, but I'm aware that the DMV starts with that assumption that it IS the problem. If at the beginning of this, before I had bid, if they had said "Humvees are defined as Off Road Use Only regardless of what stamp is on the SF97", then I'd disagree...