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Just stumbled on this thread link by accident while trolling for some other stuff, life is funny that way. Well, I am a year older and infinitely more wise, having imported a Saracen and a Fox (both British armor) into USA. The effort I've expended so far vs. ride time -- actual seat miles -- is...

I think wideload is a tease. I used to know plenty of girls like that that were experts in the routine :)

Wideload, I am interested in learning more about your units for sale. I tried sending you PM awhile ago. If you still have them available for sale, maybe you can PM me your contact info or details on the units and prices?

Teletech, thanks for the thorough and sobering input. I now am starting to realize why the same thing Stateside is running 2x what it sells in EE. I got a quote for Saurer for 15K Euro from Austria, and waiting to talk to a guy from STV and also mortar investments, both in Czech Republic. I now...

Thank you for the analysis, this is why I love this forum. I am just trying to figure things out and have almost no knowledge about armor, having never served in any armed forces. My interest is borne from totally spontaneous combustion, so I have a lot to figure out. I am mostly interested in...

Carlo, is that because the 5 ton isn't up to the task and you need something stronger?

I have an M923a2, but never considered (yet) getting a trailer and towing armor. I think I would have a heart attack. But it's probably a smart decision (and have some friends who are truck drivers and for a case of beer would drive half way to **** :) so I'm just sponging up your setup. I...

Carlo, thanks for the clarification. Please post some photos of the Saurer! I am very interested to hear some additional comparisons, since you have first hand experience with both. How is the size inside and comfort? Fuel usage? I am primarily interested in an APC as a toy, maybe take it out...

Carlo, I can't tell if you just traded the FV432 for SPZA1 or vice versa. Which one is faster, turns better and stops better, the SPZA1? I have so far received reply from a Guenter Ctornik from tanks and more which is in Austria. They have units starting for 15K Euro, but apparently without...

Guys, here's info on the M113's. They are now under contract, originally from Belgium and went for around $50K as is. They were in fantastic shape, indoor storage, etc. I made a nice introduction with the company that brokered the sale and if they have any other units, I will post. I was told...

I guess a smart man would buy two units and use one for parts!

Just called Compliance unit of US Department of State in Washington DC to ask them about ITAR regs for military equipment that a US citizen wants to import here as a collector. The gentleman w/whom I spoke said they only handle temporary importation, not permanent imports of military equipment...

Yes, those are the ones. I just called the contact person and LMVM. I'll post back results. I'm a bit befuddled why re-importation would be so restricted and why the pricing is so high... I found some Austrian Saurer 4K units in Europe for 15K euro, and it's not like they are cheap Russian iron...

What kind of drivetrain does the M113 have? Is it generally easier to source and operate domestic armor than foreign metal? I just did quick search and one company is selling 80 units... Maybe a group buy:wink:? Any idea what M113 pricing is like???

Been bitten by a small bug to own armor and the itch is getting stronger. Trying to figure out what to focus on, but have been offered a Saurer APC for around 15K euro. It's in Eastern Europe, and from what I gather was in the Austrian army up until 3 years ago. Does anyone own a Saurer 4K...