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Real what, springs? Springs make a big difference, but shocks are the 2nd part of the equation. The stiff stock shocks also cause a very firm ride even with soft springs.

Yes, you'll need longer springs with the cast rear mounts. Although I haven't tried this configuration, I'd recommend starting with no more than 1 coil cut in the rear with the cast mounts (honestly, I'd start with no coils and go from there, hard to put them back on :D)

It would sure be nice if that could work, but I'm not sure if you'd be able to get a straight shot top to bottom, I think the shock body would get in the way.

25" is a nice height. Not much down travel, but very good clearance and should have lots of compression with the softer spring rate. BTW, if you haven't tried it, pull the sway bar sometime and see what a big difference it makes in articulation. I actually always run mine without the sway...

They couldn't get it installed? Did they not have a spring compressor? I'm curious to hear how the ride height turns out. Might want to cut a little more off the rear springs to level it (I think you cut 1 coil off the rear too, right?) The bilsteins I used only come in a 255/70 valving. In...

Thanks for the update. Wow, I'm surprised it's so light. I was supposed to install these same springs in the front of a HMMWV a couple weeks back, but found some bad ball joints and have been waiting on some new moog units. I was planning to run them uncut, which sounds like the right option...

$20/ft isn't terrible. How did you come up with 125?

I haven't found time to do the fronts yet but have been studying the shock adapters. It looks like Bilstein shocks use a 1/2 bolt. If I have a 1/2 id adapter it will not fit. correct? Did you use a different size? It looks like the adapters are going to be about 125.00 in materials. 1/2" id is...

The only mods are springs, shocks, rocker guards and a Detroit locker in the rear. The Detroit doesn't necessarily add capability over the torsen limited slip, but drastically limits how often and how aggressively you have to use BTM. I wouldn't really recommend going with the exact shocks I...

1" OD, 0.5" ID Here's a pic of the shock installed, you can see the spacer welded in. I can get more pics if you'd like: And just for fun:

Next time I go I'll be sure to send you an invite! Probably go out again in March.

Yep, that's me.

The adapters are made out of 0.25" wall 1" Diameter tubing. I've considered machining some that could be used bolt-in, but these require welding in place. I'm using bilstein 5125 shocks. 255/70 valving, which is a little light, but all they offered off the shelf in that length. Agree that...

I don't know, but really want to throw mine on some corner scales to find out. It's definitely quite a bit heavier though. Pre-load won't make it ride stiffer, in fact, cutting the spring actually increases the spring rate so it will be softer with a longer spring. I welded adapters to my...

I should get a video of mine over some washboard or whoops. It is like driving a Cadillac. Coming out of Rusty Nail in Moab my poor buddies in Jeeps didn't have a hope of keeping up.

Just curious, What model HMMWV do you have? Any idea what springs those are, or how heavy it is? You're probably the only owner I know who is happy with the ride with stock springs. My M1123 felt like it had no suspension and would nearly pickup a tire driving on a big curb. Rough terrain...

Glider, great work. What is your ideal ride height? Personally I like something around 24.5 front and 25.5 rear (center of hub to fender). Just a couple comments: -On the front I would start without cutting any coils. With the extra weight it will compress the springs much more. Although...

Good work. Shocks are definitely your next step. The factory shocks are VERY stiff and won't let the new springs move like they should. Make sure to "exercise" the new springs some to get them to settle. I like to fully flex out my HMMWV a few times when I install new springs. Typically...

Ok. You'll want to trim the front and rear similarly to get your desired ride height. I believe that discussion was focused on the 4x2 Armada springs that have a 0.77 wire dia. I ran these for a bit on the rear of my HMMWV and they were a little soft. Nice, but ride height was a bit low with...

Although unloaded the front is heavier, you don't need a higher rate than the rear. I actually like about the same rate on all 4 corners. The armada spring would work well for the front with some trimming (not a lot though, with the lower spring rate it will have a lot more preload). Does...