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Thread: Buying a M35A2 or M35A3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar59 View Post
    Dennis,
    You're air leaks in the wheels are the main O ring seal. Water get between the wheel halves and rust forms under the O ring mating service. Split the wheel and clean,treat, and paint both inboard/outboard wheel half. Install new O ring w/
    good seal lube. Torque tie bolts/studs to425 ft/lb,any less,they will leak. All 4 wheels I had leaking were the main seal.
    have not had a CTIS valve fail a wheel. I wish I was closer to you, I have all the big tools and bead breaker to take those wheels down. Be careful
    Joe
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    I have some help here for the next week and I think we are going to tackle 4 leaking wheels. I've got a 12 ton bottle jack, lot of blocks and a 1 inch cheapo HF air impact gun and an adapter and 3/4 inch impact sockets. It zips the wheel nuts and lug nuts so quick it's funny to work with it. Pure quick aggression on fasteners. I'm going to have the rusty surfaces sand blasted and repaint the surfaces and use Freylube on all the sealing and mating surfaces. We have used a cherry picker engine hoist, straddling the tire from the back side to pull the rear half of the rim out of the stubborn tire.
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    After reading a lot of the replies, I am glad I got an A2. Lot less issues and very basic. When I tell people it does not have power sterring, they say "Omg!! How do you handle that?" I say "It keeps your arms strong and it's a great anti cell phone talking/texting system!" But really I hear about a lot of issues with the A3 and the availability of the parts.

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    Dennis,
    I used the AME Mod# 71600 bead breaker tool. $139.00 at Northern Tool. It worked like a champ. A little time consuming working around the big wheel, and a lot easier than the eng. hoist method. Get a handful of small wooden blocks and work around the wheel and the halves pop right out. You'll need a 30mm socket and racket.
    JC
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    You know The A3 is somewhat attractive (IN THEORY) but then you really have to look at the long term expense to own, if its the singles that really get you going, just put singles on an A2, if its the CTIS system that really gets you going you may need some professional help? If its the automatic trans that is your hot button and that is all that matters then buy an A3! is an A3 a nice truck? Yes it is but then reality gets in the way of fantasy an you need to get you money out. I looked very hard at getting an A3 and at that time I priced our certain components that ARE going to need replacing sometime, Wheel bearings, good Timken bearing for the rear inside bearing of an A2 34.00$ each for the A3 rear inner wheel bearings 700.00 each, Thank you CTIS! Like what was said before the A3 looks to be built by a committee looking to extend the life of the Deuce, it failed!!! Good luck in your decision.
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    Yes, the A3 could lead to increase cost due to certain components requiring change out. The truck, if maintained, will last your life time. Ensure it is properly serviced and lubed and you'll never have to replace the inboard bearings. The engine is a 200K + mileage design. Filters and dryer canisters are cheap, change them out. I own both models; A2 and A3 because they are different, and is sure helps the cause when your wife says she wants to drive the one with power steering. In the end, no one can have just one truck.
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    I'm not saying let's eliminate all the stupid people. I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem work itself out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar59 View Post
    Dennis,
    You're air leaks in the wheels are the main O ring seal. Water get between the wheel halves and rust forms under the O ring mating service. Split the wheel and clean,treat, and paint both inboard/outboard wheel half. Install new O ring w/
    good seal lube. Torque tie bolts/studs to425 ft/lb,any less,they will leak. All 4 wheels I had leaking were the main seal.
    have not had a CTIS valve fail a wheel. I wish I was closer to you, I have all the big tools and bead breaker to take those wheels down. Be careful
    Joe
    Be careful assuming that the air leaks are from the large O-rings. Although leaking O-rings are possible, 100% of the air leaks on my A3 were caused by leaking grommets on the valve stems. It is a bad idea to break down an A3 wheel and not replace the valve stem grommets. I would recommend using new brass nuts as well, since they are often rounded off. Remember to torque the nuts to 45 - 60 LB-FT, or they will leak. Sealant is not necessary. For rust in the area of the O-ring seal, I simply sanded with 220 grit wet/dry paper using water, primed and painted with gloss black rustoleum. Sand blasting can really eat up that area, killing the sealing surface. Be careful sanding as the lip can be very sharp and you can easily slice your hand open - ask me how I know!
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    Good point Gary, valve stem grommets were not the leak, however I did replace all 4 and two gland nuts while I had the wheels apart. Erik's had all the parts available.
    I'm not saying let's eliminate all the stupid people. I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem work itself out.



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    Cost of renewing my 1999 A3 in AZ :

    Fees for a 1 year renewal are:
    Veh License Tax $81.82
    Registration $8.25
    Diesel $10.00
    Commercial Reg $4.00
    Weight $162.00
    Air Quality $1.50
    Motor Carrier $91.00
    Total $358.57

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