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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremymx26 View Post
    I don't think anyone means any disrespect. It's an awesome piece to have. I wish it was in my driveway.
    Absolutely not. That is one fine piece of rolling hardware!
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    My youngsters positively scamper around inside the V100, but they are all in the 19-24 range. For me, the worst chore on each day I operate it, is to go in the side door, squeeze past the turret, and try to drag myself into the front seat so I can open the overhead hatch. From then on, all my in/out of the drivers seat is by climbing up the side onto the roof and getting in from above. Now that my age starts with a 5, and my weight with a 2 (despite my best efforts, darnit!), well... Lets just say that 5 years ago, it was a bit easier.
    But these were designed to be operated by the 18-30 crowd, and for them it just seems easy.

    Thanks for all the detail pictures. I've been curious about the Dragoon interior for a long time, since I haven't had access to one to examine closely.

    If my history is correct, the Dragoon was designed by some folks who had worked on the V100/150 at Cadillac Gage, and went on to design an improved vehicle when CG was reluctant to (this being pre-M1117). I gather the engine arrangement was mirrored over to the right side to avoid copyright problems.

    Looking forward to watching the progress, I'll be patient!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremymx26 View Post
    I don't think anyone means any disrespect. It's an awesome piece to have. I wish it was in my driveway.
    No offense considered/or taken.

    One of the things we are considering, is some kind of modification to the front seat area, and making it a single space for the driver. One of the many things different from the V-100/150's, (I think. scrammed brain right now) is that the seats are actually a hyrdaulicly lifted bench, instead of individual seats, if you look carefully at the last couple of picts you can see the lifting mechanism, as the bench is frozen at the 1/2 point.

    Rory, if you're in the area, feel free to stop by Earl's and crawl around. He's got it moved over/into the beeeg shed now. And you are correct on your history.

    We're considering adding the turret. an un-named personage has.... (ummmhhhmmmph, cough cough, "PARTS") which include a LAV Turret, which will mate to the large turret ring space on the dragoon. A non-mil intercom system has already been purchased for installation, so internal communications between a Vehicle commander in the turret, and driver. I'm just trying to think of how I'll justify the additional cost to our client. Their desire (and ours... mostly) is for a smaller commander's cupola with mount for a crew served and splinter shield.

    BUT THAT TURRET WOULD LOOK SOOOOO COOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by M813rc View Post
    If my history is correct, the Dragoon was designed by some folks who had worked on the V100/150 at Cadillac Gage, and went on to design an improved vehicle when CG was reluctant to (this being pre-M1117). I gather the engine arrangement was mirrored over to the right side to avoid copyright problems.
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    I'm no patent attorney, but i'm not sure that is enough to defend against infringement (the design intent is still there, just one side or the either).

    That's an interesting twist, though. Wonder if anybody here knows if it's the actual case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmedic View Post
    One of the things we are considering, is some kind of modification to the front seat area, and making it a single space for the driver. One of the many things different from the V-100/150's, (I think. scrammed brain right now) is that the seats are actually a hyrdaulicly lifted bench, instead of individual seats, if you look carefully at the last couple of picts you can see the lifting mechanism, as the bench is frozen at the 1/2 point.
    You are correct. The V drivers seat is mounted on a manually operated scissors arrangement and has several height adjustments. You can also slap the handle, which will drop the seat to the bottom setting, if folks start sending unwanted objects your way while you have your head out. One must be very careful to not hang onto that handle though, because there is only a slight clearance with the hull when you get near the bottom!
    The front passenger seat is either a piece of rather thin foam glued to the hull (!) in the head-down position, or a little fold-out seat for the head-out position.

    Your bench looks like a good idea, though as you say, can get stuck part way. It looks rather narrow for two, but with an auto transmission, that wouldn't be a huge problem. No back support, I notice.

    And yes, that turret would be sweet!

    Thanks for the permission to coonfinger the Dragoon. I'll be up that way in the near future, I'll definitely stop in.

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    V100 driver area for comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M813rc;1697152[COLOR=#ffff00
    ]V100 driver area for comparison.[/COLOR]

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    It seems relatively roomy.

    But so many blind-spots (I mean they are everywhere). Never thought about it (never being a tanker). But if you knew the vehicle, you could come up with so many ways to defeat it, it seems.
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    I've seen interior picts of the Current ASV, and they kept the bench, but added a back support that will fold completely back and down, like a chaise lounge back. But they're still reserved for smurfs only.

    AHAB, there's not a lot of truly documented history on the Dragoons. Ours is clearly one of the 1970's prototypes. There are a number of minor differences between ours and ones produced for Law Enforcement, prior to the company being bought out. The most glaring difference is the A.C. System. In ours, AC is provided by 2 units directly located behind the driver and co-driver positions, and connected to compressor in engine. I was able to go look at Houston PD's, which is a 1980 model, and it has an AC System that has blowers set up against the wall of the Engine Compartment, by the side door, passenger's side. Then has a duct system running on the edge of the hull where it curves to be the roof.

    But back to the history, as most of us know it. The 2 gentlemen most credited with developing the V-100 Family, left Cadillac Gage, and formed their own company. The shifting of the engine may or may not have been to avoid patent infringement. However, that is the working theory. The change to the diesel engine was to make parts inter-changability possible, because the engine and transmission are the same as the 5 ton truck. The operator's control panel is the same as in the M-113/114 Family. A limited number of prototypes like ours were made with various differences, and submitted to the U.S. Military for consideration.

    The intended family included APC versions, Scout Versions with a turret like that of the V-150 series, NBC recon Version, a Communications/Command and Control Version, and a Armored Service Vehicle version. (did I forget any?). They also marketed the Dragoon to Law Enforcement for Riot Control Vehicles, and that version could have a water cannon mounted on it.

    While all this was going on, over the space of approximately 5 years, the company was bought out by General Dynamics (I THINK).

    But the idea of a law suit would have been difficult, as there are many different countries that were producing Wheeled APC's that were all similar in various ways.
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    Rory,

    Shot Earl an email and told him that if you come by, it's ok to take the tour.
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    Yeah, compared to the dragoon, the V-100 driver's area is roomy.

    And you are correct, lots and lots of blind spots. That is why in addition to a different mirror system in the front, we're planning on putting in cameras, for 360 degree vision. Not so much as a military/tactical consideration, as to try and keep from turning Lincolns into Yugos, when driving it on the road.
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