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Thread: Colorado Bill SB19-054 RE: (Former) Military Vehicle Motor Vehicle Regulation

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    I talked to our Colorado House rep at the 4th of July festival, and she had no idea that the function of the law had been reversed in committee. She said something like "Oh, that law was designed to protect MV owners" (which I assume refers to the original version), and was unaware that what passed now bans them. Not good. However, she sounded interested in working to reverse it, if what I was telling her was true (she's very supportive of this kind of stuff, veterans bills, 2A, etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awesomeness View Post
    I talked to our Colorado House rep at the 4th of July festival, and she had no idea that the function of the law had been reversed in committee.
    Talking, face-to-face, with staff of the legislators goes a long way:

    - Our daughters each did congressional internships in their early college summers

    - Legislators are busy people, they don't always know everything about all the various issues put before them (they get swamped like anybody would)

    - They depend on others (like staff) to keep them up-to-date (so we learned)

    And being an old sales-and-marketing guy, nothing is as effective as the look-in-the-eye with a handshake, person to person will always be the key (IT or not).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 41cl8m5 View Post
    I have been somewhat included it the exchange of information as this legislation got started and moved though the process to become law....
    Okay, what can be done? Well, the President of our club has a date set for a meeting with the Director of the DOR. He has talked to that person by phone about how the way this legislation is being interpreted and is not within the wording or the intent of the bill sponsors, one was a republican the other a democratic. This bill passed both houses with all yes and just one vote as present. Hopefully the results of the meeting with the DOR will change how the DMV is doing business with Former Military Vehicles/Historical Military Vehicles.

    I understand everyone feelngs about this topic. It's not for me to tell anyone what they should or should not do but at this point, all should stay rock steady and stand-by for now until new and hopefully good information is in hand.

    Sitting a waiting sucks
    any updates from this meeting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coachgeo View Post
    any updates from this meeting?
    I hope the club is advocating for ALL MV owners, not just the historical ones...

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    I too hope that the discussions are inclusive of all MV's, I would love to help and am struggling to find constructive efforts to focus my energies on. From listening to the comments from the hearings, the opponents to the MV's are largely concerned about opinions issued by various regulatory bodies regarding design standards and emissions. However misguided these opinions are, they do carry weight with people that are to busy to dig further. In short, if the NHTSA says so, than we must follow it. Unfortunately the NHTSA and others have often used the M988 as the example, and thus, the more "modern" MV's are seen as particularly offensive. I recognize that asking for permission for all military vehicles is the harder and more difficult fight, but I think it must be done. This decision will effect generations to come and in 20 years the HMMWV will be as interesting to the public as the GBW. I'm not a fan of regulation on anything but here we are, and now we have to figure out what the best possible option is to fight this. I don't know what the MVCC is asking for in their discussions, for now I will hope for the best, and plan for the worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mann650 View Post
    for now I will hope for the best, and plan for the worst.


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    I have not heard anything as of today. The MVCC understands the entire topic in the state on the issue. You can bet all kinds of folks are seeing what is being put here and on other "open" sites. It can be good but it can also make things very difficult too. My posts on this topic were from the point of view of a representative of the club and I tried to keep it at that. I was not excluding anyone or everyone else that has a stake in this issue. I just figured others with MV involvement that are not members of the club and the bill effects them would chime in on what their plans are to get things right. Don't give up, never surrender! (a quote from the movie Galaxy Quest)

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    In the for what it's worth category I've been anxiously watching this thread to see where it ends up at. There are so many other types of vehicles that this could be twisted into effecting. I spent 30 years as a Colorado Sate Trooper here enforcing our MV laws, DOR regulations and the like. If someone wants to start conversations about what is and not required for it to be called a street legal vehicle I still instruct this at our local Regional LE Academy. Soft doors on vehicles are actually fine as doors are not even required on any vehicle (you can buy after market soft doors for your Jeep or just take the doors clear off-legal), seat belts only have to be in cars built after a certain year, metal dash boards are legal, only one tail light, on and on and this all pertains to every old rust bucket or pretty shiny rebuilt car out there whether its a collector or just a jalopy or even a brand new car. By rights this screwed up application of the new law should or could effect all the old car clubs, truck clubs, model A, model T etc. that some people are very fond of if someone doesn't get educated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 41cl8m5 View Post
    I just figured others with MV involvement that are not members of the club and the bill effects them would chime in on what their plans are to get things right. Don't give up, never surrender! (a quote from the movie Galaxy Quest)



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    Today I went to a BBQ fundraising event that my rep, Lori Saine was holding. I took the LMTV, parked close to the entrance, and talked with a few representatives/senators, the current and former county sheriff, and a few others. Nobody had any idea this was going on, but hopefully they'll look into it.
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