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923 Harsh Shift from 1st to 2nd

brock

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Hello All,

My truck shift quite harshly from 1st to 2nd when trans is up to temp.

Shifts smooth when cold and gets harsher as it warms up.

Any ideas for smoothing out the shift? Its running motor oil.

Thanks.
 

sandcobra164

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I guess it would depend on your interpretation of harsh. I've driven many of these trucks both for the National Guard and ones in private hands. They all had a pretty hard shift going into second and even more so coming to a stop and downshifting to 1st. I'm not saying there is nothing wrong with your truck but harsh shifting is very common on these.
 

armytruck63

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I found a trick that helps with the harsh 2nd to 1st downshift: slow down to 10 to 8 MPH, then brake relatively hard to a stop. It seems that if the brakes are the primary method of stopping the truck below 10 MPH, the final downshift is not nearly as bad.
 

brock

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I believe the shift would be considered harsh by anyones standard. It really kicks good when going from first to second. The whole truck shutters. The downshifts have not been nearly as harsh as I expected from talking to other 939 owners.

Im wondering if running a higher viscosity oil in the trans will make a difference. My methodology is as follows: It shifts great when cold, "thicker" oil. As it warms the oil thins out, harsher shift. Would an that doesnt change viscosity with temperature be worth trying. Im thinking straight -30 weight. Thoughts?

Thanks for the feedback!
 

datadawg

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I had the opposite problem: trans would refuse to shift out of 1st gear into 2nd when I bought truck and weather was cold; it would shift at 2,200 rpm and only b/c I was nearly flooring the throttle. And it would be a hard shift, like being slapped in the back by a bully when you were in 3rd grade. In warm weather, it shifted much more readily and not nearly as hard. Have no idea why.
 

DrillerSurplus

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The mechanism to make a shift soft when the truck is accelerating under power is the trans letting the clutches slip a little by applying the oil pressure a little bit gradually. We all know what happens if you slip the clutch too much though. It's a trade off between the wear & tear on those clutch packs and the wear & tear of shock loads to the drive train from a hard shift. When they build a transmission for drag racing it's pretty close to full pressure right away-partly for speed but also partly to avoid frying the clutch packs.

The drilling company I worked for had 40+ trucks that went out at 45,000-50,000 pounds and often pulled a trailer weighing just under 10,000. They mostly had the Allison HT 750 and we kept the shifts pretty crisp because we ran heavy. If running light/empty, then a softer shift for comfort might be preferable. We've had some of the big trucks for 10+ years and never had to replace one of these transmissions, although we didn't put the sort of miles on them that a trucking company would since we would drive to a job site & be parked the rest of the day. We also had quite a few of the newer electronic models -the 3000 series- in smaller trucks.

We had good mechanics, but we usually took the trucks to an Allison specialist if something needed tweaking, especially on the electronic ones. It's usually pretty reasonable if they are just diagnosing & making some adjustments. The challenge is finding a good Allison shop near you.
 

Scott88M

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Yes its pretty easy. Look under hood where accelerator linkage is and you'll see the shift modulator connected to it you just adjust forward or back. Forward smooths it out.
 
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