Abbot Tank In Canada

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I saw a Abbot sell on ebay for what I thought was very reasonable. I would have bid if I would have known some more about how hard it would be to get it out of Canada. What are the rules for getting something like that into the US out of Canada? What are the Canadian rules for selling one of these? This particular one was given to a museum from the Royal Army and the museum was selling it???
 

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A buddy of mine got a abbot from England that came from Canada. He said there's a tanker training base in Canada. They use the abbots as aggressors, usually painted black.
 

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You would need an approved BATF Form 6. The barrel would have to be demilled to US specs, or maybe not permitted for import at all.
 

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I know the people selling that abbot. There was no paperwork on it. The museum said it was a gift from the royal army. I would have bought it my self ( i live like 1/2 hr from it) but like some people in the USA have found out, buying armor from museums or legions, no paperwork means no true ownership, and assume its still owned by a government. Everyone that was around when it was"donated" are long gone and the current group figured it was theirs to do what they wanted
 

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The abbott is not a tank but a SPG as far as I am informed :p
Found this:

The Abbot FV433 technically is a Self-Propelled Gun and not a tank, according to Drive A Tank owner Troy Borglum. It was deployed by the British military from 1965 to the mid-90s as a defensive vehicle that could travel short distances, hunker down in a ditch and lob shells hundreds of yard at the enemy.
 

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Hey militaro, just noticed:

- you look like you might be relatively new to the site, so for record:

Welcome to you from down here below in the commonwealth of Virginia; bienvenue, mon ami.
 

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Hey klunk, ur on cgn right?
Anyway, it did sell on ebay for 30k, and buyer left feedback so i assume it has changed hands. As i stated above, i was in contact with a few from the museum, including the current directer, and my info is what came out of it.

I haven't talked to anyone since the sale but i see people from the Oshawa museum off and on and plan on asking.
 
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Another Ahab

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any more info on this?...is the add still up?

If its the same vehicle Im familiar with its not the 'owners' to sell...
Does this mean potential drama down the line, like headlines-in-the-paper stuff?

(funny because something sort-of similar here in DC, not MV or anything, but some lady trying to sell a small Renoir painting I think it is, on ebay or something claiming she bought it in West Virginia at a yard sale and the Baltimore Gallery where it was stolen decades ago ain't buyin' the story).
 

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Hey klunk, ur on cgn right?
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Yup-one and the same...Good to see your half-track is coming along nicely!!

Anyway-that Abbot was donated from the Canadian war museum in Ottawa to the Lincoln/Welland museum in Niagara on the Lake-which Im pretty sure means 'they' cant just up and sell it for beer money...what if the war museum comes looking for it someday?
 

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Yes, the Abbot is a self propelled gun, 105mm. The range is not a mere 'hundreds of yards", but actually about 10 miles with a 50 pound projectile. They did carry 38 rounds on board, six of which were HESH High Explosive Squash Head for anti-armour. However, they were never supposed to encounter other armour. They were supposes to be kept well to the rear of the line, with protection forces around them. The HESH rounds were a last ditch feature if they were broken down and had to fight. With armour of only an inch or less, they are no match for a tank. They are a field piece. They only weigh about 20 tons. They traveled in pairs of groups of 3 Abbots, each with a Stalwart 5 ton amphibious truck full of ammo, and each group of 3 also had a command vehicle FV432 variant and maybe a Ferret. 3 Abbots would be ready to fire and the other 3 would be ready to move in a leap frog sort of thing, as the front lines ebbed and flowed forward and aft. The only reason they are armoured is for shrapnel protection and small arms. Small arms should never be encountered, but you can guarantee that shrapnel would be a problem once the opposing forces get a clue where the artillery fire is coming from. In those days (1965-mid 90's) the returning artillery was not that accurate, so it would likely hit all around you, not on you. However, there is always the lucky shot to contend with. Being self propelled, they could shoot and scoot pretty fast.
 

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Hey klunk, this one was at the Oshawa museum not Niagara, and it was stated that it was donated by the British royal army after they left it behind

Yup-one and the same...Good to see your half-track is coming along nicely!!

Anyway-that Abbot was donated from the Canadian war museum in Ottawa to the Lincoln/Welland museum in Niagara on the Lake-which Im pretty sure means 'they' cant just up and sell it for beer money...what if the war museum comes looking for it someday?
 

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I saw a Abbot sell on ebay for what I thought was very reasonable. I would have bid if I would have known some more about how hard it would be to get it out of Canada. What are the rules for getting something like that into the US out of Canada? What are the Canadian rules for selling one of these? This particular one was given to a museum from the Royal Army and the museum was selling it???
 
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