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Driving through Central America

Trails

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Hi all,

I've been traveling Central America for a few months now and everywhere I go I realize just how much I'd prefer to be driving either my deuce or my motorcycle instead of a Daewoo rental. The roads and trails down here are too good to pass up. Therefore I'd like to go back to the US and pick these items up. I have a few questions regarding such an endeavor.

First of all, who should I contact in our government to ensure I have the appropriate permissions to take my vehicle out of country? It's coming back with me, so it's not technically an export issue. For obvious reasons I'm not going to be loaning it to foreigners either. Are there any countries south of the border that might give me trouble? American media would have you believe that border crossings are a big deal, but I've found that my US passport is solid gold. Customs treats me like a nuisance that they want to get processed as quickly as possible, and that's only if their bosses are around. Otherwise I just get waved through. Americans headed anywhere in Central America aren't the people known to cause trouble. Customs agents are looking for illegal workers, illegal tax evaders (Central American tax rates vary to such an extreme that some people go from one country to another just to buy gas or booze), and drugs (which don't flow south)

When I get to Panama, I'll either ship my truck back to the USA or Colombia, depending on if I'd like to spend some time in South America. Again, my truck will get back to the US when I return, so it's not being exported.

Incidentally, I speak adequate Spanish to chit chat with customs in the unlikely event that they want to talk to a southbound American. Frankly, it's better to speak very little Spanish, as the agents by and large don't want anything to do with gringos. They need our money for their tourist economies and will face internal repercussions if they annoy a rich American. Turistas are quite literally above the law in most cases.

I've spoken with a few people who have driven the Pan American and they have had universally positive things to say. I'm curious about the military vehicle aspect of things, as it is the only fundamental difference. For what it's worth, I have encountered privately owned ex military vehicles in every country except Belize. Pinzgauers are very common where pavement is not.
 

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I would paint the truck in a non-military color scheme, afix US plates, and drive across the border like I owned the place. I've never heard of a US law that said you cannot drive your personal ex-military cargo truck across the border if you feel like it.
 

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I agree NDT.
It's my understanding the export restrictions apply to selling an MV...could be wrong.:oops:

As long as it's properly licensed, insured etc., I can't see where there would be a problem...as long as the MV comes back home with YOU.

Having said that however, I don't think saying "the fellers on SteelSoldiers said it was OK" will get you too far...LOL

I betcha if you google search for US Military Vehicle Export Requirements you will come up with something useful. Also may wanna just check with Customs folks.
 

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Don't expect that passport to be solid gold, if crossing the border as an American in a govt. look truck such as a Deuce.

You will be well scrutinized in most of the Central American countries below Mexico, photographed, questioned over and over.

The vehicle should be well gone over top to bottom by their security team.

It's not like it's a rental car.

Good luck and enjoy.
 

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Thanks for the replies, guys.

I am planning on painting it a solid nonmilitary color before I leave. A small investment in rattle cans will probably pay off in headache aversion. She can return to OD when I return. Customs officials are welcome to scrutinize my vehicle if they recognize it as former US military hardware, though I expect more trouble at the Mexico border than any of the smaller countries. I am a long term traveler, and the contents of my truck will pretty obviously mark me as such.

I also intend to have numerous copies of my license, registration, insurance, title, photographic inventory of the entire contents of my vehicle, and anything else I can think of. Central American customs agents are pretty happy with you if you have all your paperwork in order before you arrive at the checkpoint.

I'm looking forward to driving some of the crazy roads I've found, especially in Nicaragua and Costa Rica.
 

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Generally speaking you will have no issues. Research the border crossing requirements online and prepare your personal and vehicle documents in packets for both entries and exits.

Mexico is the worst due to numerous federal police stops for drug trafficing checks. When they inspect your vehicle keep an eye on your stuff, things dissapear. South of Mexico you are golden, the US has been active here awhile (except for Costa Rica) nopicsand the deuce is known.

My observation is that with fuel selling at $4 to $6 per gallon, there's a reason people own and operate modest people movers. Another observation is that the roads and traffic in CA are not supersized like you have come to expect in the USA. You may find access to many areas difficult to navigate in the deuce.

Having said that, I encourage you to try, as travel brings many surprises and lessons that become memmories of a lifetime.

Oh, and there was a SS member from Belieze on here a few years back. He drove his rig down from Texas as I recall.

Regards,

Rick
 
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Trails

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Boy am I glad to hear from a Tico! Which part of CR are you living in? I'll swing by when I'm in the area. Costa Rica is a beautiful country and Ticos are a very friendly bunch. I've felt safer in San Jose at 2:00 AM then in Colon at noon.

I'm aware of the high fuel prices, but spending money is a part of travel. For moving myself, I'm going to be bringing my enduro bike. My US motorcycle license has been universally accepted down here for renting bikes, quads, and golf carts, much to my delight. Some roads are for the deuce, others are for a bike. Heck, I've seen some national highways that are better suited for a donkey than a motorized vehicle. I'll upload some pictures when I can find a stable internet connection. Internet Cafes aren't particularly good for uploading anything.

Regarding Mexico, how bad is drug enforcement for southbound traffic? Drugs flow to where the money is, and from what I've seen, there's no reason for them to go south. Immigration checkpoints seem to be pretty common though. Guatemala/Mexico and Nicaragua/Costa Rica seem to be the tightest controlled.
 

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The Federales usually check 100% of northbound traffic and 25% or so of southbound traffic. If you are driving something interesting or with foreign plates you will get stopped.

I try to bring a dozen off road magazines to give away to the boys who are Federales. They are appreciative and I think it's an eye opener for them to see what rock crawlers ard desert race trucks can do.

My family and I live in Nosara, a small community on the Pacific Coast peninsula of Nicoya. However I am in New England for another month. Depending on your schedule, we may have a bed for you. At least know you have SS quality service and assistance available in CR.
 

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You may find access to many areas difficult to navigate in the deuce.
Think Chicken Bus. You can go anywhere they can and then some.

Every police officer and soldier along the way will want to have a conversation with you about your "militar". If that doesn't bother you then go for it!

Bring lots of fuel filters :-D

I have a place you can camp at in Nicaragua near Granada if you are interested. There is a full time caretaker and a view of Laguna Apoyo. Water and power if you need it.

My brother lives in Panama near David, and you could probably camp at his place when passing through if you like.

When do you plan to return?
 

Trails

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Think Chicken Bus.

Bring lots of fuel filters :-D
In Panama City they call them Diablos Rojos, and they are by far the most entertaining way to navigate the city. I was on one that crashed into another during rush hour. The police happened to see so both drivers stopped and the passengers disembarked. I was amused to see that both drivers were being paid the usual fare despite the fact that nobody got to their destination. Fortunately, the fare is a straight 25 balboas (Equal in size and value to US cents), so no great loss. Since a Diablo comes by every 15 seconds or so on the main streets, we all just piled on to the next one in line. The driver had the inside of the bus plastered with Catholic icons. He also had a DVD player in the front that was playing pornographic videos set to American gangsta rap. He was paying a bit too much attention to the pulchritude of the models and not quite enough to the road because we nearly ran over several pedestrians.

Good advice regarding the fuel filters. I'm going to be bringing at least 10 of each. Dirty fuel can really ruin your day, even on an engine as robust as mine.

Thanks guys for the offers of shelter. I'll contact you both when I'm about a month away. I don't know what my schedule is; I tend to get a visa for as long as they'll let me stay in each country. There's so much to see and do. I know for a fact that I'll be ending up in David for at least a few days on my way to Penonome. I've got a hat being made down there and it should be ready in a few months. I plan to spend lots of time on the Nicoya peninsula, It's one of the least explored places in Costa Rica. I'm also partial to the Valle de Orosi. Great climate, wonderful people, and fun roads.
 

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I haven't replaced the stock fuel filters on my deuce as the fuel here is pretty clean, but for a trip like that I would put on a Racor or similar spin on filter setup.

What kind of bike are you going to bring? I would probably go with a Honda dual sport as parts are widely available. Probably a lighter weight bike like a 200cc.
 

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I know this thread is a month old but at least the info will be in the same place and may be helpful. As Rick mentioned there is a SteelSoldiers member in Belize, and I am still around. I don't post much, but I am on SteelSoldiers fairly often.

Belize has quite a few (at least 2 dozen I know of) 2.5-tons and 5-tons here in private or corporate hands as well as several Unimogs. There is even a 22.5-ton M911! Driving MVs in Belize is easy. For the most part the police/transport don't care what you drive or what you burn (I currently have been running 90-100% WMO). Checkpoints are common but are not an issue so long as you have registration and insurance handy.

It is the rainy season here now and forest/jungle roads get really muddy. I was out in my M35 today and got to use my winch several times. Although I was on Camp 6 Road that was listed a few years ago by Four Wheeler magazine as being one of the 101 places to off-road before you die.
101 Places to Wheel Before You Die - Global - Four Wheeler Magazine

If you pass through send me a pm, maybe we can meet.
 

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I know I'm raising this one from the long dead, but somebody PM'd me about the trip. Long story short, I did it. I had zero problems. I made new friends and experienced hundreds of different cultures. I got invited lots of cool places, learned a lot about how international politics really work, and would do it again in something smaller. I had zero technology for the trip, did it all with a compass because my laptop took a flying leap off my passenger seat when I hit a speedbump in Mexico at 45MPH. Whoops. When I got to Panama, I traded the truck to another expat who had an unwanted paraglider. I think it's in Costa Rica now. I never returned to the US, but my film did. If I ever go back I'll develop it. We'll see what life brings.

So here's the story.

I crossed over in Matamoras, Texas. Leaving the US is easy. Border Patrol has been supplanted by the same blue shirted people you see at airports, and they did nothing except wave me goodbye as I left. Americans have the right to leave the country at will, something you grow to appreciate when you find out that many people have to ask permission to leave their country. Mexican customs was well organized and safe. The whole compound was guarded by regular army troops, and they did a good job of keeping thieves and hustlers away. The procedure at every border is exactly the same. 1. Declare your vehicle to customs. 2. Buy any insurance if necessary. 3. Get yourself stamped in. On leaving: 1. Stamp your vehicle out. 2. Stamp yourself out. Mexico demands a $200.00 fee when you enter with a vehicle. This fee is refundable when the vehicle leaves the country. The office is called Banjercito. This is a minor complication, because when you exit Mexico there is no Banjercito office at the border. You have to get it done in Tapachula, if exiting to Guatemala. Their office is not easy to find, and if you don't speak basic Spanish you're going to get frustrated. Also, make sure you tell them you are Transmigrante or you will not be allowed outside the tourist zone. Transmigrante. Remember it. It means that you are exiting Mexico through Guatemala or Belize rather than going north again. If you fail to do this you'll get turned around at the interior checkpoint and have to go back and sort out your visa.

Mexico is a beautiful country. Northern Mexico is scrub desert, with the military everywhere. You'll pass many sleepy villages, modern wind farms, and lots of agave and cactus. It reminds me of the Southwest. Don't believe a word about Cartel violence. It will not affect you. You can't drive anywhere without seeing the military. Military checkpoints are a chance to brush up on your Spanish and negotiate the purchase of any armament you'd like for your journey. Military men are curious and friendly, knowing that a southbound American presents zero threat to Mexican security. They don't expect to be bribed, sometimes want a picture with you, and are exactly what you'd expect a bunch of bored government employees stationed in the middle of nowhere to be like.

Driving in Mexico is dangerous. Roads are bad, do not drive at night. There are no lines, no reflectors, no signs, no lights. Construction is not marked. Landslides are not marked. Speedbumps the size of your refrigerator are not marked. Sinkholes? Not marked. Campesino roadblocks? Not marked. Pile of dead animals in the middle of the road? Not marked. Headlights have two settings: Off and High Beam. You will be blinded by everybody. Mexican drivers are crazy, even by Centroamerican standards. You will be passed on the right by oncoming traffic. I witnessed tractor trailers passing 4 abreast at 60MPH on a 2 lane road uphill around a blind corner with a 2000 foot drop and no guardrail. The reason they were in a hurry? A slow moving cop in a 60's vintage Beetle was failing to make it up the mountain. Many cars have no brake lights. Don't follow too close. All of this stuff happens in the daytime, but at least you can see it coming. Don't drive at night, you won't know what hit you.

Find a hotel early. Mexico doesn't have many of them outside of touristy areas. Start looking at 3 in the afternoon and stay at the first one you see. Hotel signs are not lit at night, so if it gets dark your chances of finding one drop to near zero. This leads to driving at night, which is an established bad behavior.

Southern Mexico starts to look like an equatorial jungle once you pass Mexico City. I bypassed the urban area since I was driving a vehicle that's not city friendly and so can't offer any advice about the metro. I think that southern Mexico is nicer than the northern part. There's more agriculture, and farmers are salt of the earth type people. Local produce is easy to find, and you can expect a bit of travelers diarrhea if you eat it. I contend that it's still healthier than processed food, but to each their own. If you like Tequila, ask around for Contraband. It's the local moonshine, and asking for it will make you instant friends. Mexicans don't dig alcohol taxes any more than their Norteamericano counterparts, and you might get invited to a local party. At the very least you'll sample local flavors and meet interesting people.

Crossing into Guatemala is easy, though the Tapachula crossing can be hectic. Neither border is guarded, so expect to run into every kind of con man. Don't trust anybody unless they're sitting at the immigration office. People yelling or waving badges at you can be run over if they stand in your way. They'll jump out in time. Hit the horn and the gas. They are not affiliated with the border. Real border officials are polite and respectful. They don't expect bribes. Everybody else at the border is the scum of the country. Crossing fees were 41 Quetzales when I crossed, but check for current information. You will not be searched going south. Like in Mexico, nobody cares about rich Americans. Get out of the area quickly, before you get into a bad situation. If you get involved in an altercation, pretend like it didn't happen. Nobody cares. Borders are crazy places.

Guatemala has some of the friendliest people in Central America. The indigenous people put on costumes and dance at every speedbump. If you're entertained, give them some change. 1 Quetzal is sufficient. They also like US money. Campesinos sit outside their houses and wave at vehicles going by. They're just being friendly, give em a honk. Sometimes they put empty 2 liter soda bottles on the end of a stick and wave at you. This is the signal that there's a speedbump nearby. Slow down. Topes (speedbumps) are just as big in Guatemala as they are in Mexico. Guatemala is a cheap country. You can get a hotel for 15-20 Quetzales, and the rooms are clean and modernish. I didn't get any bedbugs in Guatemala. Roaches are everywhere because of the climate and proximity to the sea. A roach in your room does not mean that it's dirty. Just leave the windows open and the lizards will come in at night to eat them. Yum! American food is expensive there. A can of Coke will cost more than a hotel room. Guatemalans are basically honest, but will take your money if you're not familiar with the exchange rate. I was warned by everybody to be careful, but ran into no trouble at all. Stay in hotels with armed security, because thieves will liberate your stuff if you don't watch it. There is a lot of history in Guatemala, and you can spend a lot of time there if you're inclined.

From Guatemala you can either go to Honduras or El Salvador. El Salvador is on the Pan American Highway, while the route through Honduras takes you through the mountains. I went the more direct route through El Salvador. This is the most dangerous country I visited. Getting in and out was uneventful, but driving through made it very clear the impact that MS13 had on the country. There aren't any hotels outside of San Salvador, so if you need to spend the night make sure you stop in the capital to sleep in safety. If you don't, your only lodging options are brothels. Pick a brothel with armed security. MS13 is a very real threat. You don't need to use the services inside the brothel, but you'll be happy for the secure parking. I didn't use the services, so don't ask for a review. The next morning, both my truck and I left unmolested.

Honduras is only 50 miles wide where I crossed, and I checked in and out in a single day. No problems here, though I hear that gang activity is on the rise. If you explore the country, have fun and be careful.

Nicaragua probably has the worst reputation of all Central American countries, but it is a peaceful place. Corruption is high, and you may end up having to bribe your way out of hassle. Never give police your original documents. They'll complain about photocopies, but who cares? Be a dumb gringo. It works. If you're having a good experience with somebody with a badge, be friendly and polite. If they're trying to intimidate you, be friendly, polite, stupid, and don't speak a word of Spanish. Not. A. Word. Don't comply with instructions ever. Doing so reveals that you understand them. But don't drop the smile either. Police officers will eventually go away, frustrated and muttering. Wave goodbye when they do. After all, you don't understand what just happened between you and that nice man. If you don't get involved with uniformed inconveniences, enjoy the hospitality of Nicaragua. Lake Nicaragua is a nice place to visit, and San Juan del Sur is a good place to connect with other gringos and enjoy the beach. Managua is an old city with no organization, signage, or reason to visit. Avoid it if you can. The east coast of Nicaragua is remote, rural, and peaceful. Nobody goes there, so if you'd like to get way off the beaten path there are lots of places to explore. Nicaraguans are very honest people. They will not rob you or shortchange you. They will not charge you a gringo price. I felt very respected by the people there. If you like rum, be sure to buy some Flor de Cana 18 or 21 year while you're in country. You won't regret it.

Crossing into Costa Rica is a hassle on the Nicaraguan side. I actually hired one of the border guides, who summoned about 15 kids to hold my place in the various lines. I encourage you to do the same. I gave the guy my passport and all my vehicle paperwork, which I don't recommend, but it turned out fine anyway. I sat in the shade drinking rum and enjoying a Cuban while my paperwork made the rounds. The only thing I actually had to be present for was the official stamping out of the country. Be aware that they won't accept their own currency for the border fees. They demand US dollars, which can be hard to find if you don't have any. Moneychangers at this border don't always have greenbacks, but will give you a fair rate if they do. Like I said, Nicaraguans are pretty honest.

Costa Rica is a lot more organized. There are no fees, which speeds things up a lot. The border compound is guarded and only licensed vendors are allowed inside. You don't have to watch your stuff too closely. Once you get outside, be careful. Costa Rica is a beautiful country, but they love their petty robbery there. Your chances of being the victim of violent crime hover around zero, but whenever you blink somebody has their hands on your stuff. The Nicoya peninsula is a nice rural place to visit. Be aware that diesel can be tough to find outside of cities. The government controls the margins on fuel, so places without many cars don't get gas stations. There's no money in it. Stay away from Limon, it's a dirty port city with lots of crime and nothing to see. Jaco is a tourist trap, close to the international airport but it's a terrible beach. People only go there for drugs and prostitutes. Manuel Antonio is a very nice beach, but spendy. The interior of the country is agrarian, and if you're tired of the constant humidity you can head to a place like Turrialba or Orosi for a respite from the heat. These places are farming communities, and farmers are decent people. Orosi in particular is an idyllic place.

Heading south into Panama is easy, but dealing with Panamanians is hard. They're still sore about the whole invasion thing. Also they're mad about Noriega. One guy yelled at me about of the School of the Americas. "I'm sorry my country pooped on your country, and had I been president at the time things would have gone down different. Now please sell me diesel." No dice. I finally wised up and bought an Argentine Futbol shirt. I can pass for Argentine, and since Panama doesn't like Futbol much I didn't get involved in a single riot.

Panama City is very cosmopolitan, with a great divide between rich and poor. Don't be out at night, but explore freely during the day. Take a ride on the continents first transcontinental railroad, but don't spend too much time in Colon. It's not safe. Do visit the Miraflores locks and watch some very big ships go through a very famous canal. The supertankers get lifted early in the morning, around 5-7. This is one of the few places in the world it's possible to watch the sun rise over the Atlantic and set on the Pacific on the same day. South of Panama City is a whole lot of nothing. The road ends at the Darien Gap, which is a dangerous place. If you go, bring firearms. The smugglers at the gap don't care much for the military, and there's an ongoing war that neither Panama nor Columbia will admit is happening. If you choose to visit the end of the road at Yavisa, take a bus. Parque Nacional Darien is an amazing place, and I recommend you visit. But hire a guide so that nobody mistakes you for a combatant. It's one of the most unvisited places in the world. See harpy eagles pluck monkeys from treetops, thousands of rare and endangered species, and visit indigenous people who haven't changed their ways for thousands of years. All with the background chorus of occasional automatic weapons chatter. You'll have much better stories for your grandkids than their other relatives.

So that was the trip. Fun times were had, life perspectives were changed, and I never went back to my old life. I did the trip with next to no planning, ~5,000 dollars, and 2 months of spare time. You can too. It's highly recommended.

In summary: people are the same everywhere, borders are a pain, and nobody gives a crap about southbound traffic.
 

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So you never came back to the US? What are you doing now? Thanks for the story!! I am SURE it was an amazing experience. Only be to CA once, and that was via Uncle Sugar in the mid eighties. Where I was, if you had shoes, you were "The Man!"

God bless,
Tony
 

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Thank you for the excellent read. I could just about picture myself into your story.
Good luck in your travels and God Bless!
 

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Driving a Deuce in Central America is great! With the low cost of initial purchase it is amazing more people don't own them down here. Sounds like you had a great trip.

What color did you end up painting your truck before your trip?
 

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have you researched any requirements for re-entering the USA? I had always heard that was the rub..not leaving but re-entry..seems there was a thread or 2 on this in the past..

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have you researched any requirements for re-entering the USA? I had always heard that was the rub..not leaving but re-entry..seems there was a thread or 2 on this in the past..

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The issue with reentry depends on how you left the US.

If you just drove out of the US and then return, still with current US plates, registration, and insurance, there should be no problems. I know numerous truckers here in Belize who have semi-trucks registered in the US and they drive them back and forth through the US, Mexico, Guatemala, and Belize with no issues. Some people actually have their vehicles registered in two countries.

If on the other hand you process your title through US Customs and get it cleared for export then your US Title becomes void. If you enter another country, register it there and then re-enter the US you are dealing with a foreign vehicle. And you then have to go through whatever legal process is necessary to import and title a vehicle in the US.
 
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