M109A2 vs M109A3

[Rodger]

Hello All

I am looking for a truck to camperize. Currently we are using a Pinzgauer 712AMB and want something larger.

Can anyone explain the differences between a M109A2 and a M109A3 ?

Thank you
Rodger Kitt

 

[gimpyrobb]

Is there a 109a2?

 

[goldneagle]

I have a M109A2. I was wondering the difference as well....

 

[wildbilly1760]

my data plate shows m109 a1. I was also wondering the differences

 

[fuzzytoaster]

This topic has been covered before. If I remember correctly no...just the A3 was serviced more recently compared to the A2. A1 is a steak sauce.

 

[goldneagle]

This topic has been covered before. If I remember correctly no...just the A3 was serviced more recently compared to the A2. A1 is a steak sauce.

Drop and give me 100 for that comment!

 

[rjeep]

I sure like my A3...

 

[fuzzytoaster]

Drop and give me 100 for that comment!

*drops* For MRE's! FOR MRE's!! One sir..two sir..

 

[goldneagle]

All i could find on the subject was that the early M109's had 5 windows on each side of the box. Later they changed it to 3 windows per side. This does not explain the difference between the A2 and A3 versions. I will keep searching.

 

[stampy]

I don't know either but the A3's kick butt. Mine has more power than the m35a2 even with the big box on the back.

 

[Pooch1128]

From doing a little research on the world wide web, I found that the main difference is the type of engine installed, not to sure about the reliability of the info considering where this info came from..

 

[Castle Bravo]

I've wondered this too.

Presumably, the M109 is the gas powered truck. Likewise, the M109A1, A2, and A3 include the LD427 and LDT465 engines, with some other modification in there too. The M109A4 is the Caterpillar powered Allison Transmission version (M35A3 equivalent).

 

[goldneagle]

I don't know either but the A3's kick butt. Mine has more power than the m35a2 even with the big box on the back.

Mine is an A2 with the LDT-1D engine 6-'93. Plenty of power!

 

[goldneagle]

We still don't know what the differences are between the M109A2 and the M109A3 which is the topic of this tread.

 

[Rodger]

I found this on a previous thread. (Thank you)
How do I tell which engine it has?

When built, the M109A2 was powered by the LDS-427 Multifuel engine. When the LD-465 was introduced to the series, the model number changed to M109A3 - and stayed the same with the introduction of the LDT-465.

Many (virtually all) of the M109A2 trucks have been repowered by the military with 465 engines, blurring the distinctions.

Hope this helps,
David Doyle

 

[goldneagle]

I found this on a previous thread. (Thank you)
How do I tell which engine it has?

When built, the M109A2 was powered by the LDS-427 Multifuel engine. When the LD-465 was introduced to the series, the model number changed to M109A3 - and stayed the same with the introduction of the LDT-465.

Many (virtually all) of the M109A2 trucks have been repowered by the military with 465 engines, blurring the distinctions.

Hope this helps,
David Doyle

Well that answers the question! I guess mine is now updated to a M109A3 since I have a new LDT-465-1D with 98 hours on it.

 

[badga the badger]

its mostly about the engines, but also with the boxes. the first m109s had 5 windows on each side. when they upgraded the engines, they went down to 3 windows per side.

 

[LongueCarabine]

Well that answers the question! I guess mine is now updated to a M109A3 since I have a new LDT-465-1D with 98 hours on it.

Fella on another board says the LDS-465 was the last iteration of the series, that it was intended for the 5 tons but was put into some Deuces, and that it generates roughly 200hp.

I am not familiar with all the different engines put into Deuces, does this sound right?

LC

 

[goldneagle]

Fella on another board says the LDS-465 was the last iteration of the series, that it was intended for the 5 tons but was put into some Deuces, and that it generates roughly 200hp.

I am not familiar with all the different engines put into Deuces, does this sound right?

LC

The A1's had Continental LDS-427-2 ( built under the MANN diesel whisper engine licence ) Multifuel turbo engines, and 5th gear was an overdrive.The engines were not reliable. A2 trucks received the LD-465-1 non turbo, keeping the OD transmission of the A1s. Through the years the trucks were upgraded to LDT( turbo clean air)-465-1A, B, C. The turbo was added more to clean up the very black exhaust on the Non Turbo engines, than to add power, the HP was only raised from 130 to 135 HP. The LDT-465 D was the last version of the Multi Fuel, it had a Quieter Turbo ( non whistler )better head gasket sealing and head cooling.

 

[LongueCarabine]

The A1's had Continental LDS-427-2 ( built under the MANN diesel whisper engine licence ) Multifuel turbo engines, and 5th gear was an overdrive.The engines were not reliable. A2 trucks received the LD-465-1 non turbo, keeping the OD transmission of the A1s. Through the years the trucks were upgraded to LDT( turbo clean air)-465-1A, B, C. The turbo was added more to clean up the very black exhaust on the Non Turbo engines, than to add power, the HP was only raised from 130 to 135 HP. The LDT-465 D was the last version of the Multi Fuel, it had a Quieter Turbo ( non whistler )better head gasket sealing and head cooling.

Thanks, GE. Are you saying there is no such thing as a LDS-465 for the Deuce? I am pretty new, don't know a lot about what was in the older vehicles (or any of the vehicles, for that matter.)

But I am trying.

LC