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Potential HD Shocks (King) Group Buy

GCecchetto

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Howdy Folks;

I have spoken with Pat at HD shocks about shocks for my 2008 M1078A1R. HD shocks works with King, I think Pat actually worked at King for a number of years, for manufacturing of the shocks. I have sent dimensions on the front A1R specific shock to them along with a bunch of photos, and plan to pull a rear shock this weekend to do the same. The rear shock from my truck should be proper fitment for both front and rear on A0 and A1 trucks, so if this works out, the group buy should cover all variants of our trucks.

Some have expressed concern about HD Shocks using off the shelf valving vs custom tuning to the trucks specific loading and use case. I'm not trying to build a race truck and there is no one size fits all perfectly scenario, so if you want that level customization, well, you should just deal with king directly. What I am trying to do is get a quality correct fitment shock that is of proper capacity for our trucks rather than making do with something like the Monroe shocks people are using. So, if this sounds like the right approach for your needs as well, this could be a good opportunity. The nice thing about HD shocks, is that if they take this on, they actually create part #'s for the shocks in their catalog, so future interested parties can easily order them. King doesn't do that and that's why when you call king, nobody knows anything about these trucks. It's just lost in all the custom one-offs they have done for people.

I asked Pat if he would be interested in doing a group buy deal and he is. Obviously, the odds of HD shocks taking on this project are much better if there are multiple sales involved. So at the request of some other folks also interested in a proper fitment quality shock option, I'm starting this thread to gauge interest.

Admins, I believe this is okay since I'm just a forum member, not a retailer trying sell anything, but if not feel free to delete the thread.

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I'm interested. I have an M1088, so I'd need 6 shocks. I will eventually have a roof rack on the cab and a habitat box on the back, but the habitat box will get started early next year and won't have full weight with fluids until about a year from now. Meanwhile, I'd love to calm down the ride, even a little. Right now it's a bucking bronco at highway speeds. If better shocks could dampen the bouncing at speed a bit, I'd like that. I'm not expecting miracles, but any help would be good
 

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I'm interested. I have an M1088, so I'd need 6 shocks. I will eventually have a roof rack on the cab and a habitat box on the back, but the habitat box will get started early next year and won't have full weight with fluids until about a year from now. Meanwhile, I'd love to calm down the ride, even a little. Right now it's a bucking bronco at highway speeds. If better shocks could dampen the bouncing at speed a bit, I'd like that. I'm not expecting miracles, but any help would be good
What generation truck do I can track how many of each application?
 

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negative Nelly here....

this has been tried before.... only to then discover King rep was assuming the person talking to them about such an idea.. understood that number of units would be in the thousand + range...... There is not enough FMTV in civilian hands total.. much less just A1R's only, to even come close to that.

Hope am remembering the past wrong... or maybe manufacturing is not as hard to adjust machines doing assembly etc, as it was in the past?
 

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negative Nelly here....

this has been tried before.... only to then discover King rep was assuming the person talking to them about such an idea.. understood that number of units would be in the thousand + range...... There is not enough FMTV in civilian hands total.. much less just A1R's only, to even come close to that.

Hope am remembering the past wrong... or maybe manufacturing is not as hard to adjust machines doing assembly etc, as it was in the past?
He was quoted $700 (ish) per corner for a single set for his own truck. Full stop. No discussion of a group buy till I suggested it and he had an additional conversation with them. Any number of additional units will help to reduce the cost of the adapter hardware required and also a larger sale in general may give them the ability to do a larger run at once and thus they could reduce their profit on a per-shock basis and pass that on to the group.

No one is talking about thousands of units. This is taking an off the shelf KING shocks and then figuring out the appropriate adapters for mounting them, putting them in baggies, and giving them a part number. No one is talking about full custom manufacturing here.

In terms of the "A1R" - they use the same shocks on the back. It's just the front and the OP has an A1R so they can measure fitment for both and easily provide whichever the customer needs. This isn't difficult. It requires only some measurements and someone to sit down with the KING catalog and parts on hand and come up with a BOM.
 

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Like GD said! There is a chance though that Pat may decide he doesn't want to do this, but it's basically what he does every day, so I'm hopeful he will. Nothing ventured nothing gained. There is also a chance he'll be willing to do it but the cost will be more. There are a lot of options, a basic king shock with no remote reservoir, remote reservoir, size of the shock body, adjustable damping, etc. I'm looking for some pretty burly shocks and Pat says king offers shock bodies up to 4.5 inches, which is a full inch larger than the the A1R front bodies.

I'm thinking something like 3" bodies with a 1" shaft. Ideally remote reservoir front and reservoir on the shock body in the rear. Open to feedback as to what you all feel is the right recipe so this works as a group buy. It will also depend on cost, it's a cargo truck basically whether loaded with cargo or a habitat on the back. I don't imagine any of us have designs on jumping sand dunes, so I'm not looking to spend 2 grand a corner.
 

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Like GD said! There is a chance though that Pat may decide he doesn't want to do this, but it's basically what he does every day, so I'm hopeful he will. Nothing ventured nothing gained. There is also a chance he'll be willing to do it but the cost will be more. There are a lot of options, a basic king shock with no remote reservoir, remote reservoir, size of the shock body, adjustable damping, etc. I'm looking for some pretty burly shocks and Pat says king offers shock bodies up to 4.5 inches, which is a full inch larger than the the A1R front bodies.

I'm thinking something like 3" bodies with a 1" shaft. Ideally remote reservoir front and reservoir on the shock body in the rear. Open to feedback as to what you all feel is the right recipe so this works as a group buy. It will also depend on cost, it's a cargo truck basically whether loaded with cargo or a habitat on the back. I don't imagine any of us have designs on jumping sand dunes, so I'm not looking to spend 2 grand a corner.
To my knowledge HD only does typical smooth body. King direct will do custom bodies with res and bypass etc.

On another note, I was looking at some of the FoX for FMTV and it looks like they run a pretty small body shock. Are my eyes catching that right?
 

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One of my friends had KING install these. This is technically an A1R though it is one of the first 1900 trucks that did not yet have the coil over. So shock mounted reservoir should work for just fine all around.
 

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To my knowledge HD only does typical smooth body. King direct will do custom bodies with res and bypass etc.

On another note, I was looking at some of the FoX for FMTV and it looks like they run a pretty small body shock. Are my eyes catching that right?
FOX doesn't produce them anymore. Their HD line shut down during COVID and they have stated they have no interest in that market for now.
 

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To my knowledge HD only does typical smooth body. King direct will do custom bodies with res and bypass etc.

On another note, I was looking at some of the FoX for FMTV and it looks like they run a pretty small body shock. Are my eyes catching that right?
Well, Pat was talking about remote reservoir options when we spoke, so sounds like they do also do them.
 

GCecchetto

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One of my friends had KING install these. This is technically an A1R though it is one of the first 1900 trucks that did not yet have the coil over. So shock mounted reservoir should work for just fine all around.
I would be fine with that. Was just concerned the rubber skirt would be rubbing on the reservoir and wearing the finish off.
 
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