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So my company car is now a Jeep Sahara: My thoughts on an FMTV vs a Jeep of today and yesterday

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When I see a Jeep on the road lately I have often wonderd how they drive these days, given so many changes to designs and numerous owners. Well the A/C went out on my Audi company car and I needed a quick replacement. Only vehicle available that fit was a new Jeep Sahara Hybrid. I reluctantly took it, but thought maybe driving a Jeep would give my ideas for the M1088. True, these are completely different vehicles and a Hummer would be much closer, but what the heck...

My journey began by shutting the rear gate. The rear hatch semi-imploded from the weight of the Fancy black rim and wide spare tire. Never having driven a hybrid, I struggled to figure out whether it was running or not. The drivetrain was erratic at times and same-day acceleration would some it up. My MTV pulls strongly from a stop and this instills confidence. This Jeep only has 37k on it and wobbles all over the road. There were a couple of "white knuckle" moments keeping this thing on the road. Is this the Death wobble I had heard about? loI

Road noise. I thought my M1088 had road noise, but this thing was almost painful to ride in at highway speeds. It also hunts and darts all over the place like a dog chasing a rabbit on any un-eveness in road. When I got to Indiana people started waving at me. I thought "crap something must be wrong with this wobbling goblin thing.." Nope. It was the Jeep people ("It's a Jeep thing!!) waving at a fellow owner LOL Now I have to remember to wave at every freaking Jeep I see lol The dashboard is just sad. The automatic trans shifter is large and clunky. Our FMTV Allison touch pad is simple. Our plain jane dashes are utilitarian, but I can quickly figure our what is going on without having to surf through a bunch of screens. The dash has more cheap plastic than a case of Barbie Dolls and some sewn in fabric, remenisent of the Levi Jean jeep of the 1970's. Things have changed.... Back then Pabst Blue Ribbon was garbage beer, now it is trendy with a lime? LOL When I moved one of the vents a plastic chrome piece fell off. Hiring Gig engineers off of Fivver is pobably not the most prudent HR approach.

Wow, this Jeep thing is a LONG way from the 304 V-8 Jeep CJ5 that I remembered. Those earlier Jeeps could really take a beating. Our only concern was spinning a hub or twisting a driveshaft. True. 38.5 tires probably were not recommended by the factory, but who cared? The AMC Jeep was truly the best vehicle that AMC made. The rest of AMC products looked like something out of a freak show. Jeeps back then were very spartan, but at least you did not have to worry about the dash falling off. Everything was metal. The EPA and safety regulations changed all of that. At a stop along the way, I looked up the price this thing. $50k. This thing wreaks of Stellantis greed. Little lasting value. Why can't they make a decent 4x4 here? It ls simple. Planned absolesence. Accountants and share holder value rule the Roost now.

High hopes and empty pockets. "It's a Jeep thing..."

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Overall:
FMTV 8.5/10
New Jeep 4/10
Old Jeep 8/10

Value:
FMTV 8.5
New Jeep 3
Old Jeep 9.5/10

Waves given:
FMTV 8.5/10
New Jeep 10/10
Old Jeep 10/10
 

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You misspelled Stellantis. Or Fiat..... Whichever is closer for that particular model of their progeny.

"Jeep" is a brand name. Fully owned by a European investment group that is not headquartered in the USA therefore Jeep is no longer an American brand. Not that this matters in the slightest EXCEPT for the erroneous perception on the part of consumers that Stellantis has no desire to set straight - it plays into the perception of the product being rugged and American and all that nonsense. Half of these new jeeps are just Fiats with a Haldex AWD system cobbled into the front half of a FWD economy city car and a body lift.

Hard to compare a plastic consumer product where the primary engineering goal is the cheapest price to get you to end of warranty with the fewest claims but not last significantly longer so you annoy the customer just enough that they trade it in for another of your plastic commuting appliances rather than taking a ride on their competitors merry-go-round.

....Don't get me started. I'm retiring out of working on consumer trash for 25 years. Don't want ANY of it. I'll take an M1009 as a commuter thanks.

Frankly even the "commercial" offerings are total sh t and having worked on Freightliner and International and others in that space not to mention a Sprinter here and there - it's ALL garbage. Laughable garbage at that. Sadly I can't unsee how bad the situation is so I'm just leaving the industry. I'll wrench on and drive my surplus and the world can have their "auto industry" all to themselves while I roll on by with all the powers of Superman and absolutely no willingness to use them. 🤷‍♂️

Here's a good recent video on the industry:


Also - speaking of the Jeep things.... Here's a Grand Wagoneer thing that's amusing;

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We've got a 2021 Gladiator. It feels enough like the HMMWV while driving it (and vice versa) that I've reached for controls in the wrong place while driving each of them.

The Gladiator has about twice the power and twice the tow rating. A higher reasonable cruising speed.

It's LOUD, with a lot of road noise, but nowhere near as loud as the HMMWV. Ours is louder than most, as we run 35" aggressive mud terrain E rated tires and we have an aftermarket soft top.

Every Jeep waves at me in either the HMMWV or the Gladiator, and I've had plastic ducks placed on both.

>100k miles on the Gladiator. No issues.

About 25k miles on the HMMWV. No issues that I couldn't fix.

When it's time to go to lunch 15 miles away, I take the HMMWV. When it's 1000mile round trip to drag a water Buffalo home, I took the Gladiator.

The doors come off the HMMWV easily. The soft top, not so much. The soft top folds back on the Gladiator in a ten second stop at a stop sign. The doors, not so much...

And the Gladiator did tow the HMMWV home once...

Apples to pineapples comparison, and the 5ton doesn't really bear mention in the same breath.
 

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I recall when the jeep liberty was first coming out and even some magazines soon ran a test comparing it to a wrangler (and I think cherokee too or was that only the grand cherokee left by then?) still being more or less available to purchase too, needless to say I recall that the liberty had some major problem with the more basic offroading tasks at the time

so..no big surprise..aka probably added it to the "just another oversized city vehicle for ego purpose" list if you know what I was talking about
 

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A newer Jeep without the round red "Trail Rated" badge on the driver's front quarter panel it is not factory set up for off road use. In my experience most, not all, but most folks who build their own 'off road' versions do so poorly—

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98G

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A newer Jeep without the round red "Trail Rated" badge on the driver's front quarter panel it is not factory set up for off road use. In my experience most, not all, but most folks who build their own 'off road' versions do so poorly—

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I don't really think the badge means anything if the Jeep Compass wears it...
 

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