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greenjeepster

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Taxes aren't bad here... and we don't miss those that leave... :)

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Have you ever lived anywhere else in a while?;)

We moved there from a state that only had state income tax and tax on non-food goods. It was quite a shock to have to pay a tax on our vehicles every year when we had already payed all our taxes on them when we bought them. Then food at the store, and the water off of our roof, county income tax........

You can keep it. Kentucky isn't much better, (at least they don't tax food here) but NC got me good and used to getting screwed regularly.

I prefer a state with a higher property tax and income tax than one that taxes you to death by taxing everything multiple times.

And don't worry; we will not be back.... The barbecue wasn't even good enough to warrant going back for a bite.
 

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i have a regular passenger plate on my deuce, not antique. I've been pulled over once, for running a stop sign. Was given a verbal warning and nothing was said about weight. However, I do know that the passenger tag is good for 7,000 lbs, and i believe you are allowed to tow up to total of 9k combined, so i figure i'm only 5K over empty.

No. You are violating the law. Your plate must have enough weight paid on it to cover the weight of the truck, anything in it -- including you! A normal passenger plate is a 4K plate. You can pay additional weight fees up to 6K and keep a passenger plate. Anymore weight - you have to get a weighted plate. Have you paid for your claimed 7K of weight? Sounds like you only have 4K.
The law your claiming to only be 5K over does exist, but you don't remotely fit it. Not by a long shot. The law you referring to is valid for trucks weighing under 6K.



If people don't get their act together when driving these trucks, the authorities will start looking closer @ ex-MVs. Just like WI.
 

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(Copied from a post I made about a year ago.)

I was in the break room reading a trucking rag. Seems N.C, had been going after the wide load/ overweight permit guys, finding fault in the escort vehicle (the real example given was a taillight out), invalidating the permit then writing the overweight up. The court then levied an incredible fine maybe $27,000+ was the example was being discussed. The carrier had a trial and lower court found the carrier in the wrong. The carrier had to go to the appeals court to get justice. That judge there stated that the invalidation was illegal and should be clearly outlined in the original statute to be considered valid. The article had another example same thing. Like I said it is all about $. Scary to see law enforcement using such tactics. They must be learning new tricks from the scum bags they nail.
 

saddamsnightmare

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March 3rd, 2010.


Deuce NewB:

In Texas, my deuce is registered as a pickup truck, because that is the way the title came down from Colorado, but its tare is 13480 (based on scaled weight) and the gross is 23, 480 total weight, with license taxes and insurance accordingly. I have had no problems with the cops on either vehicle (Unimog or deuce) as they have never been overweight and are well maintained. I would recommend having the correct truck weight plates and insurance, else you are looking for trouble, and it won't be all that long before it finds you, you may be sure of that.
That is why I won't register the trucks under Texas "Former Military Vehicle" tag rules, as there is some concern about weights, hauling and mileage restrictions that I am not willing to accept in a pair of daily drivers. My deuce might go as far as two or three hundred miles from home on a trip, and might be hauling personal gear or purchases, so I don't need the headaches that comes from violation of the codes... The only question is whether or not to scale the truck at weigh stations, because she is registered as a private (non-commercial) pickup. When I have passed through the weight stations in the past the inspectors seemed to take very little interest in the truck or trailer (M105A2).

Seeing what is happening in California and Wisconsin, we need to give the authorities no reason to come after us as a group of military vehicle owners.....

Just my two cents worth,

Cheers,

Kyle F. McGrogan:roll:
 

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I would encourage everyone who lives in NC to pull out their registration card for their vehicles (mil or not).

As mentioned above a standard NC plate is only a 4k plate. Additionally, NC registration cards now clearly state that you are responsible for not only your vehicle weight but also any towed load. This is the reason I am running weighted plates on my 3/4ton pickup because when you add up the weight of the truck plus the trailer plus the tractor etc. it is way over 4000lbs. MV enforcement has been ticketing guys in this area regularly who are running standard plates on 3/4 and 1 ton pickups.

Not sure what I will do when I get Ol' Blue on the road - it will have to be antique tags plus weight or weighted truck tags....
 

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Here is a copy of the letter that I sent into the Motor Carrier Enfoecement section of the NCSHP. Heres hopin that all goes well.......




Dear Sir or Madam,
This letter is in reference to Citation number 3179239-3 written by Trooper M.T. Dalton of the NCSHP on 02-19-2010.
On February 19, 2010 at 1552 hrs I was stopped by Trooper Dalton of the NCSHP for a weight violation. I was driving a 1971 military M35A2 commonly known as a deuce and a half. I have the truck registered as an antique vehicle. After Trooper Dalton stopped me at the intersection of US Hwy 64 West and Yadkin College Rd. he informed me that the probable cause for his stop was an over weight tag violation. Trooper Dalton informed me that the antique registration that I was running on the truck was only valid for 4000lbs. I told Trooper Dalton that when I registered the truck with the Lexington Tag Office I explained to the woman behind the counter what the truck was and that it weighed 13,530lbs empty and was capable of hauling a payload of 10,000lbs. I asked the woman behind the counter if I needed to get a weighted tag or if I could run the antique tag on the truck. The woman behind the counter told me that because the truck was an antique that I did not need a weighted tag and that the antique tag would cover the truck with no issues.
As a former Lexington Police Officer I researched the statutes regarding the antique tags and found that no where in NCGS 20-79.4 sec. 17 does it say anything about a weight restriction on a antique tag. It simply states “issuable to a motor vehicle that is at least 35 years old measured from the date of manufacture.” The truck I purchased, as stated above is a 1971, which would make the truck 39 years old.
I primarily use this antique military truck for public displays, parades, and other historical events. During my encounter with Trooper Dalton I was using my truck to pick up approx 6000 lbs of gravel to fill in several washouts in my driveway from the recent rains. Normally this truck is not driven except to the above mentioned events.
I am a member of a group of individuals that collect historic military vehicles and we were all informed of the same thing by our local tag office that these trucks are considered antiques and do not need weighted tags. I know of several people who live in NC that have the exact same truck as mine and all of our trucks have been registered as antiques with no weight restrictions mentioned by the tag office at the time the tags were purchased.
I ask you to please consider the misinformation that was given to me by the Lexington Tag Office and void this citation. I also ask for clarification on the weight and registration laws so my fellow collectors and I can be in compliance with NC laws
 
Sincerely,
Walter Blower
 

DeuceNewb

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so i need a weighted tag to drive my 1956 pontiac? my 1955 pontiac? My jeep cherokee? my 1972 cutlass? i don't think so, and they all weigh in over 4K with a tank of gas and me in it. better not take my gf to dinner, i might get an overweight ticket
 

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I also found out that here in NC we MUST apply for a NC fuel decal to run out trucks within the state. If you plan on running your truck out of NC then you must either...

1. purchase a 3 day fuel decal for $50.00 at any weight station....or
2. purchase a IFTA fuel decal

This is simply because our trucks are 3 axle and "cause more damage to the roadways" or so the department of revenue says.

If you get a NC fuel decal then you must keep records of your fuel usage and mileage to be audited by the Dept of revenue if they feel so inclined to.

Or if you get a IFTA decal then you must keep a record of all of your fuel usage and mileage and submit a report of this, due by the 22nd of every month, to the department of revenue.

why is it that I feel like I am being trated as a commercial carrier when I am just a regular citizen?!?!?!?!?!
 

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Converting to RV? So where will you permanently mount the sink & stove?

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I've got the extra high cargo cover that you can comfortably walk around in. I welded the fridge to the floor, along with the sink and counter top. I have a microwave that plugs into the 110v outlet strips that run down each side. I have a kerosene heater that is bolted to the floor. Just need a generator and i'll be good to go. Get RV classification then all that crap disappears; except the fridge which will be put in and out depending on where i'm going....gotta keep the beer cold.
 

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I've got the extra high cargo cover that you can comfortably walk around in. I welded the fridge to the floor, along with the sink and counter top. I have a microwave that plugs into the 110v outlet strips that run down each side. I have a kerosene heater that is bolted to the floor. Just need a generator and i'll be good to go. Get RV classification then all that crap disappears; except the fridge which will be put in and out depending on where i'm going....gotta keep the beer cold.

I actually looked into RV status and was told it requires a flushing toilet and a fire marshall inspection before the insurance company would cover it as such....
 

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RV in NC

HC House Car - Self propelled vehicles equipped with permanent living and sleeping facilities and used for camping activities classified as private passenger vehicles. The body style of these vehicles will be designated as house cars.
A house car must provide at least 4 of the following facilities:
1. Cooking
2. Refrigeration or ice box
3. Self contained toilet
4. Heating or Air conditioning
5. Portable water supply system including a faucet and sink
6. Separate 110-125 volt electrical power supply or an LP gas supply
A conversion of a bus or truck to living and sleeping facilities and used for camping requires the certificate of title to be surrendered for correction of the body style.
Vehicles of this class that are not permanently converted to living or sleeping facilities are classified as property carrying vehicles and the license fee is assessed on the basis of gross weight.
 

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rv easy

HC House Car - Self propelled vehicles equipped with permanent living and sleeping facilities and used for camping activities classified as private passenger vehicles. The body style of these vehicles will be designated as house cars.
A house car must provide at least 4 of the following facilities:
1. Cooking
2. Refrigeration or ice box
3. Self contained toilet
4. Heating or Air conditioning
5. Portable water supply system including a faucet and sink
6. Separate 110-125 volt electrical power supply or an LP gas supply
A conversion of a bus or truck to living and sleeping facilities and used for camping requires the certificate of title to be surrendered for correction of the body style.
Vehicles of this class that are not permanently converted to living or sleeping facilities are classified as property carrying vehicles and the license fee is assessed on the basis of gross weight.
1&2.propane camp stove
3.igloo cooler
4. 5 gal bucket with lid
that should cover it! BTW just got M818 & M971 tagged as RV one tag for truck and trailer,no rule bending!:cool:
 

Stan Leschert

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I can't believe that this is happening in the land of the "Free"

Up here just get your Classic or Antique plates and you're good to go. Different cities have different regs about storage, but, wow, North of the border seems way less regulated. We just have a problem with guns , or the lack thereof by the law abiding people. The croocks have tons of them!

How do we get intelligent lawmakers?
OOPS, sorry, that's another oxmoron.
Just like the Major that I butted heads with in "Military Intelligence"

We call it something different up here, never the less,
buttheads seem to be a common cross border problem!
 

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so i need a weighted tag to drive my 1956 pontiac? my 1955 pontiac? My jeep cherokee? my 1972 cutlass? i don't think so, and they all weigh in over 4K with a tank of gas and me in it. better not take my gf to dinner, i might get an overweight ticket

you had better hope your girlfriend never reads your post.........aua
 
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