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    I have been following many of the mods to benifit the deuce on many threads. I found a 98 bus with a DT466 manual tranny and hydraulic brakes. I am wondering what the thoughts are of actually using the chassis frame and maybe the firewall portion that contains the pedals and steering support rather then trying to transfer things to the deuce frame. I believe it would present its own set of problems but wondering if it wouldn't be easier than the other way around. I see there are all sorts of motor tranny and brake combos out there so open to that. Just thinking if using the whole set up mounted might be a workable option. I also saw were others have discussed transfer case change out to benefit final drive ratios. I was thinking 395s on the deuce if I did the it. Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions.

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    I suppose it depends on what you plan on using the vehicle for. There are several things the deuce was designed for that may not be present when you start with a not-deuce frame.
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    If I understand correctly, you would cut the bus frame behind the transmission mount, remove the corresponding length of Deuce frame at the front end and mate this bus front frame piece to the deuce rear frame piece. You could leave the rear frame two feet longer to give you room for a knuckleboom crane behind the cab (oops..sorry...that is just me thinking out loud here)
    You would have a high strength steel front frame and a mild steel rear frame welded together and plated. They flex differently. Not sure if that would be an issue.
    You would transfer the deuce front suspension and axle to the bus frame.

    Lots of fabricating to do. I do not know if you save any effort or labour over transferring the engine and transmission into the Deuce frame.
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    That dual brake line option is always good. Here's a build to look through that did it all. Very cool idea so get er' done.


    https://www.steelsoldiers.com/showth...euce-project-1

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    Hi Guys. Thanks for the replys. I was sort of thinking of using the lenght of bus frame inplace of the deuce frame. so you would have to mount the transfercase, axles and body. I read that thread link and found it interesting. I didnt realize it sounds like the deuce frame is more flexable. I guess iam trying to way it out. By using the bus driveline on the bus frame you gain the factory set up on the the steering , brake system, radiator, motor and tranny mounting. You would have to mount the transfer case rear axle assys and the body mounts and fuel tanks. I was thinking maybe weld a small square tube frame within the fenders hood and grille so the entire front end could tilt forward like the Int bus does for working on. My plan was to have a more road friendly driver with 395s on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cattlerepairman View Post
    You could leave the rear frame two feet longer to give you room for a knuckleboom crane behind the cab (oops..sorry...that is just me thinking out loud here)


    For my part, that 2 feet is where I'm planning a mechanical room for my HVAC, spare tire carry and tool storage.
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    I like that idea the trucks are high and getting things in and out at 58 gets old quick. Wondering if you could run it off the hyraulic pump for the power steering and brakes and could you also run the winch with a hydraulic motor so you didn't have to add a pto. I never messed that stuff on bus set ups. Ill bet Rustystud could throw some light on it.
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    Well you hit on a idea that I have had for several years now. Sadly I had my bus towed to the scrap yard this last summer, but I'm looking at getting a newer one with the DT466 engine with an Allison behind it. Most bus frames are 34" wide and made from extremely strong steel to meet federal standards.
    So my idea was to keep the front of the bus and remove the back section. They are usually riveted together and by removing the rivets you could cut the front section behind the driver station and remove the back section of the bus and recombine them for a nice little area. I had planned on a small sleeping area with toilet closet. The axles could be moved straight over along with the spring mounts and bolted to the frame. You would have to remove all those riveted plates on the rear axle assembly which would be a pain, but it's doable. I would also keep the total frame length and just lengthened the drivelines. Might have to add some driveline pillow block bearings along the way.
    With a system like this it would be more of a "sleeper" off road rig. Looks like a bus but performs like a Deuce.
    I still have my older M35 REO with all it's drive train intact. So once my shop is built (if the county will ever give me a permit !) I plan on looking for a bus to convert.

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    HI Rusty and thanks for the info. I found some with hydro brakes and some with the Air. What are your thoughts on that. I was told the 98-2004 were the better engines than the newer ones but know little on it. With the auto trannys are there certain ones or year combos you prefer this seems like a good time to pick from as wide range of yrs and types seem to be around the country. What transfer case and tire size were you thinking. I like hearing of others ideas as how they would do it. Your supper short bus cab sound very practical. Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustystud View Post
    Well you hit on a idea that I have had for several years now. Sadly I had my bus towed to the scrap yard this last summer, but I'm looking at getting a newer one with the DT466 engine with an Allison behind it. Most bus frames are 34" wide and made from extremely strong steel to meet federal standards.
    So my idea was to keep the front of the bus and remove the back section. They are usually riveted together and by removing the rivets you could cut the front section behind the driver station and remove the back section of the bus and recombine them for a nice little area. I had planned on a small sleeping area with toilet closet. The axles could be moved straight over along with the spring mounts and bolted to the frame. You would have to remove all those riveted plates on the rear axle assembly which would be a pain, but it's doable. I would also keep the total frame length and just lengthened the drivelines. Might have to add some driveline pillow block bearings along the way.
    With a system like this it would be more of a "sleeper" off road rig. Looks like a bus but performs like a Deuce.
    I still have my older M35 REO with all it's drive train intact. So once my shop is built (if the county will ever give me a permit !) I plan on looking for a bus to convert.

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