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See post #15, above. No googling necessary.this, hard to google "cheaper 21 oz. bottles", to see what your talking about.
I noticed that all of the pictures of all the Kat's systems are exactly the same, regardless of stated bottle size (18 oz or 21 oz) or actuating system (24v automatic, 24v manual or cable), so I have my doubts as to whether or not that picture is actually of a 21 oz bottle, especially considering that the 21 oz Kat's bottle appears to be substantially different in shape (see attached). Also, what I'm trying to find out is whether or not the 21 oz Kat's bottle will fit the old Milspec system, not if it's interchangeable within the current model Kat's systems.Yep 21oz bottles work
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Saw that video posted a few times already!You need the tall skinny bottle (18 oz.) The fat squat one (21 oz) does not work. The 24 volt systems thermo is set to 50 deg, not 20.
This is the video of mine on my old truck:
I did click the link and that's definitely what it says for current systems but it could be that maybe the specs of the system changed over the years? Are all of the military systems made by Kat's? I read that some of them were made by QuikStart. *shrug* I'm just spitballing, here. I'm definitely going to check out my sensor when I get home tonight.My system was on the truck when I got it from the KY National Guard I know for a fact that it worked above 20 because I used it above 20 deg.
If you click the haldex link I posted it will download the specs and it states 50 deg. Nothing I can find on kats site states anything but 50 deg, so I don't know where people are getting the 20 deg number from... The system I had only worked with the 18 oz bottle. the 21 oz bottle was too large for the bottle bracket.
I will trade a good used flame heater for a ether injection if anybody wants to swap.
I have never seen one on a deuce that wasn't made by Kats. You would be able to hear it actuate even if the bottle is empty. It makes a click sound when you flip the switch, if it is too warm it doesn't make any sound when the switch is flipped.I did click the link and that's definitely what it says for current systems but it could be that maybe the specs of the system changed over the years? Are all of the military systems made by Kat's? I read that some of them were made by QuikStart. *shrug* I'm just spitballing, here. I'm definitely going to check out my sensor when I get home tonight.
I do have a couple trucks with flame heaters, though. I haven't verified operation of them yet but I'd be happy to swap you. I hear the flame heaters don't work very well on WMO and that's mostly what I run.
My misunderstanding on the flame heater.I have never seen one on a deuce that wasn't made by Kats. You would be able to hear it actuate even if the bottle is empty. It makes a click sound when you flip the switch, if it is too warm it doesn't make any sound when the switch is flipped.
I don't want a flame heater, I want the ether injection Thanks though. Ether fires in about 10 seconds even when below zero... much better for the starter.
My guess on the 20 deg quote is that somebody mistakenly posted 20 deg somewhere and because of our wonderful search function everybody has been repeating it. I have yet to see anything from the manufacturer that says anything except 50 deg.
No; you would just have to shim out the valve from the mounting bracket somehow, maybe washers would do it. Then put a larger strap on.In your experience, is there any reason the bottle bracket couldn't be modified to accept the 21oz bottle?
Ok, just spent some time underhood.No; you would just have to shim out the valve from the mounting bracket somehow, maybe washers would do it. Then put a larger strap on.
Thanks for the link... The lack of an nsn number probably indicates that it was an aftermarket system, not under military contract.
Good to know, thanks! O'Reilly shows the cans on their web site but it shows as "currently unavailable" so I'll have to stop in and see if they can still get them around here.Quickstart is still in business, you can buy a valve directly from them for about $35 or so. Mine wasn't working. Make sure you get a 2CC valve or is it the 4 in the model?. There are quickstart valves on ebay, I almost bought a 12cc before regaining my senses and contacting the quickstart company for the proper substitute. The stock valve is a QS4-2AM, they can hook you up with a QS4-2TC? I think it was that doesn't have the special connector(you can cut the wires off an old one and splice it in using the special connector).
original size ether canisters are a little less than $30 at Oreilly's, if you don't have that chain of auto parts stores near you I'm sure they can hook you up with the original part number like they did for me. Only difference in the one Oreilly's had was the color. It was whitish rather than orange, otherwise the exact same.
As for the 20degree sensor? I have no idea where that came from, I've used the quickstart system higher than 20 degrees on my M35A3, closer to 30degrees or higher.
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