GL doesn't set the demil codes, DOD and DRMO does. GL has a service contract with DRMO, and must do whatever DRMO tells them to do.
This has nothing to do with GL, and everything to do with DOD, and DRMO.
-Chuck
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I wonder why they pulled all the m35a2s
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This has nothing to do with GL, and everything to do with DOD, and DRMO.
-Chuck
Bid higher on a truck you might not be allowed to keep? Would you really? I don't think most people would.This whole thing is probably intended to excite people to bid higher. And it might work.
If DRMO starts pulling deuces back after they were sold through GL sales, it will have the effect of raising the prices on those that were sold without an EUC, but it will crush the sales on those that come under an EUC.
Let's assume, for now (absent better information), that two separate things are going on: The first is they are reviewing the future sale of deuces under Demil Q, just like they did with the HMMV's, and the M151's. And the second is, the OP's service truck was used for something special, the agency that used it wasn't done with it before it got hauled away and surplussed, and they want it back.
It probably has nothing to do with the zombie invasion.
-Chuck
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Yea, I might get desperate.
There is no rational explanation.
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DRMO does not set them either, the item manager does- and the item manager could care less what they bring at auction.
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I think we should all start freaking out on for sale listings like craigslist.... We can email all the sellers we can find and tell them OMG...you are selling them too cheap, didn't you hear.......
that is sure to drive private sale prices up and then I will sell mine the minute I get them.... well only if they are bringing unimog prices by then
that is sure to drive private sale prices up and then I will sell mine the minute I get them.... well only if they are bringing unimog prices by then
My guess is it is a sales ploy. GL is in business to make money and this is likely to kick the price up on the next couple of auctions and then we'll get back to normal. Same thing that happened at the end of 2008 beginning of 2009. My crystal ball says they will back to Q in less than 3 auction cycles. What better way to sell the exact same product for more money than artificially changing the supply and demand equation. Think gas prices two years ago.
The letter about wanting OP's truck back is a fluke with bad timing.
Start pulling trucks back after 8 months and word will spread quickly. People will either quit buying or they will buy and flip and strip. Either way the intent of GL auctions will change significantly and GL will be in serious trouble quickly.
I have no proof for my above statements it is just my thoughts. Lets wait and see who's guess was correct.
The letter about wanting OP's truck back is a fluke with bad timing.
Start pulling trucks back after 8 months and word will spread quickly. People will either quit buying or they will buy and flip and strip. Either way the intent of GL auctions will change significantly and GL will be in serious trouble quickly.
I have no proof for my above statements it is just my thoughts. Lets wait and see who's guess was correct.
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Where are they supposed to put all the incoming trucks during the meantime?
The item manager sets the demil codes, and works for DOD, who produces the list that DRMO references. GL simply does what DRMO directs them to do.
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GL has nothing to do with setting demil codes, DOD does, DRMO follows what DOD says, and GL follows what their contract with DRMO says.
If the deuce is getting reclassified, it is being done as a result of some pressure higher up the feeding chain. It might even tie into the Wisconsin Pinz registration mess. Wisconsin doesn't want MV's of any kind on the roads, and could very well be driving DOD to require destruction.
Remember the HMMV? AM General didn't want them competing with GM's Hummer, so they got DOD to change the demil code. In the end, it is all political.
-Chuck
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From the Defense Reutilization & Marketing Service world wide web page Mission statement:
"Small Business Ombudsman. The DRMS Small Business Ombudsman will receive, review and investigate concerns from small businesses about DRMS initiatives and process changes. The Small Business Ombudsman will function in this capacity independent from DRMS operational and policy offices and ensure that small business concerns are given fair consideration. The DRMS Small Business Ombudsman can be reached at DRMSOmbudsman@dla.mil."
Email this person and explain the great benefit to the economy that comes from having these trucks available to the public. After I send off my Email, I'm going to order some parts from an SS member in IND, and then unload my 2 drop side M35s--they're filled with blocked cordwood. For many of us, OD iron is more than a hobby. Lets make the case even if whatever is going on is not serious.
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"Small Business Ombudsman. The DRMS Small Business Ombudsman will receive, review and investigate concerns from small businesses about DRMS initiatives and process changes. The Small Business Ombudsman will function in this capacity independent from DRMS operational and policy offices and ensure that small business concerns are given fair consideration. The DRMS Small Business Ombudsman can be reached at DRMSOmbudsman@dla.mil."
Email this person and explain the great benefit to the economy that comes from having these trucks available to the public. After I send off my Email, I'm going to order some parts from an SS member in IND, and then unload my 2 drop side M35s--they're filled with blocked cordwood. For many of us, OD iron is more than a hobby. Lets make the case even if whatever is going on is not serious.
Thank You
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Thing is, I have seen zero indication that the demil code has changed. None ofthe online resources I ahve access to show a change.
The info I am seeing, shaky as it is, is that DRMO and/or GL are changing the auction terms independant of what the demil code is.
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I just spoke with a friend of mine who is a GL district manager. This whole fiasco was caused by a computer glitch at DRMS. This is the same glitch that occurred last December that sent everyone nuts. They will be back for sale in the next several days. Its busineess and usual until the next glitch!!!
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I think we are all missing the obvious here. Scrap steel is NOT worth .13c a pound (and not all of the weight of a Deuce is steel), but the parts ARE. I think this batch of M35A2s was sold to a parts supplier, likely to support a Deuce fleet in a foreign military. We are likely NOT looking at a stop in the Deuce flow, just a temporary clog. Just my theory...
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Just sent my email:
I recently was told, but have not been able to confirm, that Government Liquidation will be selling M35A2 series trucks as scrap instead of on regular auctions because they may be able to get a higher price. If this is true, it will have the serious negative effect of cutting out thousands of small bidders.
Many hundreds, if not thousands of small business owners bid on surplus items such as these and depend on the sales of them to keep their business going. Many more sell the parts for these trucks, repair, them, and move them.
The decision, if true, to sell these under the scrap contract will have the effect of locking all the small business bidders out of the process, as the scrap contracts are much bigger and only larger bidders can afford to bid. These same larger bidders were always free and able to bid on and buy these trucks when they were sold before, and then scrap them. If these trucks are moved to being sold as scrap, this will mean only large scrap dealers can buy.
It seems this decision is being made as a way to limit the overhead and work done by GL, as they will have to process fewer sales and no end use certificates. However what they are doing will have a very detrimental effect on all the small business owners who do business with DRMS via them because it will remove our ability to be involved.
Thank you for your consideration on this matter
We will see what response I get.
Where have you seen the auction terms change? They are still the same as always. The only difference is GL's was told to change the demil code on one deuce from Q to F.
The interesting thing happens when you go to DLIS's server, and look up M35A2. You will find that the demil code is Q, but there is a flag that says the code is under review. The appropriate link was published earlier in this thread.
DLIS has nothing to do with GL. It is reading the DOD/DRMO's database.
-Chuck
I would recommend you not send your letter! It is nothing but unsubstantiated rumor. Not only that, it is illogical. As scrap, GL will get maybe a hundred bucks for each deuce. They know this. They are paid by the 10% auction fee. That, my friend, is working on commission. It is in their best interest to promote deuces and get the highest price the auction will allow.
If you send your letter, you will get about the same reaction as you would if you said you heard, but are unable to confirm that the zombie army has landed on the mall in Washington.
If you want to send a letter to the ombudsmen, stick with things that are fact, like the long time it takes to get an EUC approved. The lunacy of even requiring an EUC on a 40 year old truck... stuff like that.
Or, you can ask the ombudsmen to look into the removal of the deuces in that sale.
-Chuck
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I disagree. Clearly from what you read here GL is giving different stories and explanations to different people. Part of the ombudsmans job is to get clear answers when GL is not giving them.
If it is BS, a response from somebody at DRMO saying it is so would set that straight and eliminate a lot of confusion.
As for the commission, GL is all about reducing overhead. You only have to look at them trucking stuff from all over to a few key large warehouses to see that. If they sell a truck as scrap they eliminate the taking of pictures, the preview time and manpower for escorts, the manpower for the EUC and all the expense it brings, and the delay in pickup.
If they get $500 as scrap, or $1500 as a whole truck, that is a whole $100 in commission difference. Want to bet they invest more than $100 in manpower and expense in the taking pictures, making the auction listing, running the auction, processing the credit cards, handling the EUC, online help requests, and the individual loadouts?
If the beancounters figure out that it costs them $120 in manpower to sell each truck (pretty reasonable given that it takes at least 3 people in the chain) then in fact they will actually make more money selling it for $500 on a term scrap contract than they would on an open auction.
The conflicting answers come because we are asking the indians, and not the chiefs. The folks you reach by IM or phone are not authorized to speak for GL on much of anything. They are just spreading water cooler gossip. Probably some truth to some of it, but never the whole story.
The DRMS ombudsmen should be able to help, if he is allowed the opportunity.
-Chuck