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Topic Split, was HMMWV now Replica Guns

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Speaking of Ma Deuces, wonder what one of them there replicas cost? I'm thinking Jon Shoop makes the composite ones but I've also heard of people putting them together using kit guns with non-op recievers. Anyone know?
 

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Actually, I think Squirt Truck knows someone or is involved with some kind of replicas, but I can't remember if it is .50's or just M16/AR15's........... I may be mistaken, so remember the value of all things free...like this advice rofl
 

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RE: Hmmwv

Speaking of M16s, those Airsoft ones on ebay look pretty decent and go cheap. If I ever do a gun mount, one of those might be worth having.
 

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Recovry4x4 said:
Speaking of M16s, those Airsoft ones on ebay look pretty decent and go cheap. If I ever do a gun mount, one of those might be worth having.
This came up in a thread a few weeks ago. I got one on ebay and am waiting for it to arrive. When it does I will take picture and give a report. I have about $25 in it right now.

As for the M2, check out this link. These are the cheapest ones I have seen and they are metal. They can be converted to propane shooters also. I have heard good reports about them. The kits for the M2 are in the $2500 to $3000 mark as I remember and making a semi seems like more sense if you have that much money into it to begin with. I have all the parts to assemble an m1919a4 semi but need to free up some time to do it.

http://www.macreplicas.com/
 

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Recovry4x4 said:
Speaking of M16s, those Airsoft ones on ebay look pretty decent and go cheap. If I ever do a gun mount, one of those might be worth having.
Kenny, here's a few pics of my Tokyo Marui SR-16, which is, I believe, an exact replica of a Knights Armament Stoner SR-15. RIS rail system, flat top receiver, vertical forward grip, Aimpoint red dot scope replica, 3 point sling, silencer and custom camouflage paint. All told I have about $1,200 in it and all the related gear. The last pic is really overwashed by the flash so the color is off. The OD color should be close to 383 green. Also there is a pic of my Tokyo Marui H&K Mk23 with experimental LAM unit and silencer.

Airsoft is a great way to get out and get some good exercise and have a good time too. Beats paintball too since it's cheaper in the long run and there's less pain and no mess. Plus since is an honor based game you play with good, honest people.

Most of the cheap ones on Ebay are not real Airsoft AEGs or Automatic Electric Guns. They look ok from about 10 ft, but any closer and they look fake, which may be a good thing in a display situation. For those looking for more detail and accuracy, Tokyo Marui and others make M-16 replicas in both the modern version and a Vietnam Era version with the old style foregrip and 20 round clip. There are also AKs, a variety of H&Ks, WWII weapons, and just about any other popular assault weapon, even the FAMAS and the P90. If you want any other info, PM me or start a new thread, I don't want to highjack this one too much more, lol. :wink:
 

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Watch for sales and deals on the airsoft M16's on ebay I got two for less than $25 , they are just for looks and from a distance look real enough . I'm gonna paint mine with some wrought iron black cause I think they are a little shiny !
 

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I just finished up my little project airsoft rifle.





It started as a new Tokyo Mauri M16a2 and was then converted back to a vietnam era m16 with a G&P full metal reciever and front set, straight grip, and a Mauri m16vn rear stock with no trap door. also a 110 spring and a Systima 6.04 tight bore barrel. It shots really well and is a blast to play with.
 

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Lanty, did you say $1,200 in that weapon? My AR only cost $850. Dave, did you change lower recievers on that Tokyo Mauri M16A2? That thing looks great but how much to put one together like that? I'd love to have one and really thinking about one of the cheap ones on Ebay.
 

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Yeh, it was a full metal reciever kit by G&P that replaced the top and bottom pieces of the Mauri gun. It takes then a special front set from G&P that threads the outer barrel onto the reciever. It's make for a very solid piece, no flex what so ever. I have about $500 into it, but hope to recover $100 when I sell the original Mauri reciever and front set. Basicly the only thing on the gun that is original is the gear box and motor.
I paid $230 for the Mauri m16a2 on ebay, and $300 for the parts and shipping from Hong Kong for the convertion.
 

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Yup, that's right Kenny. That includes the SR-16 itself, the M100 Spring, Magnesium receiver, flat top rail riser, Aimpoint replica, Lithium battery powered tac light, silencer, 3, 300 round hi-cap magazines, two battery packs, charger/discharger and a few other things I am forgetting. This doesn't include the new MOLLE II rig I have direct from Specialty Defense Systems to carry all the related gear. I have probably $2,500 all told in my gear and BDUs. you can put around $350 and play and have a good time but accessorizing your weapon and gear becomes very addictive and a lot of fun also.

Who did you deal with in Hong Kong, Beast? UN Company? I have dealt with them many times and have had nothing but great things to say about them.
 

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Elwenil said:
Who did you deal with in Hong Kong, Beast? UN Company? I have dealt with them many times and have had nothing but great things to say about them.
Yep, UN Company. They were top notch. My stuff arrived from HK in 2 day's! I will buy from them the next time I need something I can't find on this side of the pond.
 

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Getting pretty far away from subjects I know about in the airsoft realm - but, as I recall, according to the latest gun control laws - removing the red/orange tip from a replica gun to make it look like the real thing is a felony - so beware.

I've handled many dummy M2 machine guns - and a few real ones - and the replica made by Jon Shoop is light years better than anyone elses. Until you actually touch the gun, it is indistinguishable from the real one, even with the top plate open. Its not the cheapest - but you definately are getting your money's worth.

Best wishes,
David Doyle
 

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I know of no Michigan law for removing the orange and if it is a federal law I would not worry to much about it. It is kink of like the myth that messing with a private mailbox is a federal offense. It is but you will never see a postal inspector come out and prosecute a person for vandalizing a mailbox. I wish we had a similar law in Michigan because a large amount of our armed robberies in Washtenaw County are punks using airsofts that they painted or took the orange tips off. We find punks with them all the time but can't charge them with anything unless they use it in a crime. It is only a matter of time before someone gets killed for having an airsoft with the orange removed. I think anyone using them for display in Military Vehicles would not have too much a problem as long as they do not brandish them. Check your local laws though. If you have a local law that prohibits removing the orange then you are more likely to get prosecuted for it.
 

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The law only pertains to shipping and transportation. So if you treat it like a real firearm for transportation then there should be no problem. It is a feloney though to use one in an robbery. Carries the same penalties as if you used a real gun. So I think I'm good there also as i have no plans to knock off the local 7/11 or bank.
 

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The gamgbangers here are painting the barrell tips of their real guns orange here. I hate the bastards. I've had a close look at the Jon Shoop M2 when I stopped by George Bakers place in '03. It stuns you when you pick it up. The composite even shows milling marks like the real gun. Its wild!
 

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Here's a Federal laws regarding orange tips, which I quote below. There is another law, which I came across while doing some research last week that concerns modifying a toy gun that is in your possession - but it may be local. I'll dig it up a little later and post it as well.

* UNITED STATES CODE
+ TITLE 15 - COMMERCE AND TRADE
o CHAPTER 76 - IMITATION FIREARMS
________________________________________________________________

section 5001. Penalties for entering into commerce of imitation
firearms

* (a) Acts prohibited

It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, enter
into commerce, ship, transport, or receive any toy, look-alike, or
imitation firearm unless such firearm contains, or has affixed to
it, a marking approved by the Secretary of Commerce, as provided
in subsection (b) of this section.

* (b) Distinctive marking or device; exception; waiver;
adjustments and changes

+ (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) or (3), each
toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm shall have as an integral
part, permanently affixed, a blaze orange plug inserted in the
barrel of such toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm. Such plug
shall be recessed no more than 6 millimeters from the muzzle end of
the barrel of such firearm.
+ (2) The Secretary of Commerce may provide for an
alternate marking or device for any toy, look-alike, or imitation
firearm not capable of being marked as provided in paragraph (1)
and may waive the requirement of any such marking or device for any
toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm that will only be used in the
theatrical, movie or television industry.
+ (3) The Secretary is authorized to make adjustments and
changes in the marking system provided for by this section, after
consulting with interested persons.

* (c) "Look-alike firearm" defined

For purposes of this section, the term "look-alike firearm"
means any imitation of any original firearm which was manufactured,
designed, and produced since 1898, including and limited to toy
guns, water guns, replica nonguns, and air-soft guns firing
nonmetallic projectiles. Such term does not include any look-alike,
nonfiring, collector replica of an antique firearm developed prior
to 1898, or traditional B-B, paint-ball, or pellet-firing air guns
that expel a projectile through the force of air pressure.

* (d) Study and report

The Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics is authorized
and directed to conduct a study of the criminal misuse of toy,
look-alike and imitation firearms, including studying police
reports of such incidences and shall report on such incidences
relative to marked and unmarked firearms.

(c) (FOOTNOTE 1) Technical evaluation of marking systems

The Director of (FOOTNOTE 2) National Institute of Justice is
authorized and directed to conduct a technical evaluation of the
marking systems provided for in subsection (b) of this section to
determine their effectiveness in police combat situations. The
Director shall begin the study within 3 months after November 5,
1988, and such study shall be completed within 9 months after
November 5, 1988.

(FOOTNOTE 1) So in original. Probably should be "(e)".
(FOOTNOTE 2) So in original. Probably should be "of the".

(f) Effective date

This section shall become effective on the date 6 months
after November 5, 1988, and shall apply to toy, look-alike, and
imitation firearms manufactured or entered into commerce after
November 5, 1988.

(g) Preemption of State or local laws or ordinances;
exceptions

The provisions of this section shall supersede any provision
of State or local laws or ordinances which provide for markings or
identification inconsistent with provisions of this section
provided that no State shall -
+ (i) prohibit the sale or manufacture of any look-alike,
nonfiring, collector replica of an antique firearm developed prior
to 1898, or
+ (ii) prohibit the sale (other than prohibiting the sale
to minors) of traditional B-B, paint ball, or pellet-firing air
guns that expel a projectile through the force of air pressure.

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15 CFR PART 1150

PART 1150 - MARKING OF TOY, LOOK-ALIKE AND IMITATION FIREARMS

Sec.
1150.1 Applicability.
1150.2 Prohibitions.
1150.3 Approved markings.
1150.4 Waiver.
1150.5 Preemption.

Authority: Section 4 of the Federal Energy Management
Improvement Act of 1988, 15 U.S.C. 5001.

Source: 54 FR 19358, May 5, 1989, and 57 FR 48454 Oct. 26,
1992.

Sec. 1150.1 Applicability.

This part applies to toy, look-alike and imitation firearms
('devices') having the general appearance, shape, and/or
configuration of a firearm and produced or manufactured and entered
into commerce on or after May 5, 1989, including devices modelled
on real firearms manufactured, designed, and produced since 1898.
This part does not apply to:

(a) Non-firing collector replica antique firearms, which look
authentic and may be a scale model but are not intended as toys
modelled on real firearms designed, manufactured and produced prior
to 1898.

(b) Traditional B-B, paint-ball, or pellet-firing air guns
that expel a projectile through the force of compressed air,
compressed gas or mechanical spring action, or any combination
thereof, as described in American Society for Testing and Materials
standard F 589-85, Standard Consumer Safety Specification for
Non-Powder Guns, June 28, 1985. This incorporation by reference was
approved by the Director of the Federal Register in accordance with
5 U.S.C. 552(a) and 1 CFR Part 51. Copies may be obtained from the
American Society for Testing and Materials, 1916 Race Street,
Philadelphia, Pa. 19103. Copies may be inspected at the office of
the Associate Director for Industry and Standards, National
Institute for Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, Maryland, or
at the Office of the Federal Register, 1100 L Street, NW., Room
8401, Washington, DC.

(c) Decorative, ornamental, and miniature objects having the
appearance, shape and/or configuration of a firearm, including
those intended to be displayed on a desk or worn on a bracelet,
necklaces, key chains, and so on, provided that the objects measure
no more than thirty-eight (38) millimeters in height by seventy
(70) millimeters in length, the length measurement excluding any
gun stock length measurement.

Sec. 1150.2 Prohibitions.

No person shall manufacture, enter into commerce, ship,
transport, or receive any toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm
('device') covered by this Part as set forth in Sec. 1150.1 of this
part unless such device contains, or has affixed to it, one of the
markings set forth in Sec. 1150.3 of this part, or unless this
prohibition has been waived by Sec. 1150.4 of this part.

Sec. 1150.3 Approved markings.

The following markings are approved by the Secretary of
Commerce:

(a) A blaze orange (Federal Standard 595a, February, 1987,
color number 12199, issued by the General Services Administration)
or orange color brighter than that specified by the federal
standard color number, solid plug permanently affixed to the muzzle
end of the barrel as an integral part of the entire device and
recessed no more than 6 millimeters from the muzzle end of the
barrel. This incorporation by reference was approved by the
Director of the Federal Register in accordance with 5 U.S.C. 552(a)
and 1 CFR Part 51. Copies of Federal Standard 595a may be obtained
from the Office of Engineering and Technical Management, Chemical
Technology Division, Paints Branch, General Services
Administration, Washington DC 20406. Copies may be inspected at the
office of the Associate Director for Industry and Standards,
National Institute for Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg,
Maryland, or at the Office of the Federal Register. 1100 L Street,
NW., Room 8401, Washington DC.

(b) For any water gun, air-soft gun, light-emitting gun or
other ejecting toy, look-alike or imitation firearm having an
opening to discharge such things as water, non-metallic
projectiles, and light, a blaze orange (Federal Standard 595a,
February, 1987, color number 12199, issued by the General Services
Administration) or orange color brighter than that specified by the
Federal Standard color number, marking permanently affixed to the
exterior surface of the barrel, covering the circumference of the
barrel from the muzzle end for a depth of at least 6 millimeters.
This incorporation by reference was approved by the Director of the
Federal Register in accordance with 5 U.S C. 552(a) and 1 CFR Part
51. Copies of Federal Standard 595a may be obtained from the Office
of Engineering and Technical Management, Chemical Technology
Division, Paints Branch, General Services Administration,
Washington, DC 20406. Copies may be inspected at the office of the
Associate Director for Industry and Standards, National Institute
for Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, Maryland, or at the
Office of the Federal Register, 1100 L Street, NW., Room 8401,
Washington, DC.

(c) Construction of the device entirely of transparent or
translucent materials which permits unmistakable observation of the
device's complete contents.

(d) Coloration of the entire exterior surface of the device
in white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green,
bright blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or as the
predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern.

Sec. 1150.4 Waiver.

The prohibitions set forth in Sec. 1150.2 of this part are
waived for any toy, look-alike or imitation firearm that will be
used only in the theatrical, movie or television industries. A
request for such a waiver should be made, in writing, to the Chief
Counsel for Technology, United States Department of Commerce,
Washington, DC 20230. The request must include a sworn affidavit
which states that the toy, lookalike, or imitation firearms will be
used only in the theatrical, movie or television industry. A
sample of the item must be included with the request.

Sec. 1150.5 Preemption

In accordance with section 4(g) of the Federal Energy
Improvement Act of 1988 (15 U.S.C. 5001(g)), the provisions of
section 4(a) of that Act and the provisions of this part supersede
any provision of State or local laws or ordinances which provides
for markings or identification inconsistent with the provisions of
section 4 of that Act or the provisions of this part.
 

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It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, enter
into commerce, ship, transport, or receive any toy, look-alike, or
imitation firearm unless such firearm contains, or has affixed to
it, a marking approved by the Secretary of Commerce, as provided
in subsection (b) of this section.
It stats no where in the text anywhere that it is unlawful to remove it if you are the end owner.
1 since I did not manufacture the gun I'm Ok.
2 I have not tried to sell it or enter into commerce with it; I'm OK.
3 I don't plan to ship it to anyone; I'm OK.
4 Transport is a grey area, because if I transport it according to regulations for real firearms then it is not a problem.
5 Yes, I have recieved the look-alike, but how do they know if it had the orange markings on it or not if they were not there at the time I recieved it.

I had read somewhere on a airsoft site that the law stated that if you removed the orange markings, the airsoft gun would be treated as if it was a real weapon, and would have to follow the regulations for real weapons. So it really boils down to the fact of if you respect it as a real weapon then you should have no problems. Brandishing it in plublic would be the same as if it was a real weapon. When I drive with mine mounted to the dash of my truck, I have it securelly mounted and not laying loose; I remove the magazine to show it is unloaded; and I store the magazine in the glove box which is out of reach for the driver. I have even been stopped by the local sherrifs dept. (not for the weapons, but so he could ask me a question about something at my race shop) while driving my M715 with one mounted to the dash and the .50 cal on the pedastel in the bed and he never even batted an eye at them. Now I do live out in the country a bit and it's quite common around these parts for trucks to have rifles in then.
 
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