What's the correct deuce PTO look like?

[Twinpinion]

I found a guy that has a few that he claims are for an M35. Anybody got pics of the deuce PTO or some idea on identifying them?

Is this one?

 

[Twinpinion]

Oh, here is the part number: 19207 11669313AA

 

[mangus580]

ummm..... I dont think so... 5 ton maybe?

 

[Junkyard Wars Crusher]

Not sure, but your pics are definitely different. Here's what I believe is the correct one shown in the first two pictures. Anyone agree?

(also, be careful - the 5ton unit is very similar, except it mounts to the opposite side of the transmission. see last picture) Deuce is on drivers side. 5-ton is on passenger side. Remember, the output shaft should be above the shift rod and face forward when mounted. If it has two outputs, it is for a dump!)

 

[Twinpinion]

The 5-ton (is this what is pictured above?) has what seems to be a helical cut gear (angled teeth) on the input. These ones I'm looking at do not.

 

[Twinpinion]

Here is another:

Chelsea PTO Model 309050

 

[Recovry4x4]

Those are all wrong for the deuce.

 

[Twinpinion]

Dang! They were cheap too!

 

[Recovry4x4]

What are you planning on running with the PTO?

 

[Twinpinion]

What are you planning on running with the PTO?

This:

And I like the idea of a two-speed PTO.

 

[Recovry4x4]

With the transfer case PTO you have 5 gears in one direction and one in the other. Since the transfer case is running by the tranny, cnaging tranny gears changes directions of the pto.

 

[gringeltaube]

Deuce vs. 5ton PTOs:

 

[Twinpinion]

With the transfer case PTO you have 5 gears in one direction and one in the other. Since the transfer case is running by the tranny, cnaging tranny gears changes directions of the pto.

Yeah, I'm eyballin' that PTO of yours, if you still even have it (Inner voice: please say no, please say no...). Routing the shaft to the front would be a little work but I'm thinkin' 'bout it.


gringeltaube: Hey, buddy, pal, super pal...looks like you got a deuce PTO that's not in a truck...hmmm, and I need one! How convienient!

Hey! It was worth a shot, and thanks for the pics, that helps a bunch. Who knows what those others I found are for. They're on ebay, surplus guy that apparently doesn't know what he has.

 

[Junkyard Wars Crusher]

Hey Kenny,

I'm not doubting you, but are you sure about the first two pictures that I posted above? What do you see that isn't right?

I know my third picture is a five-ton. (it is on my 5-ton right now )

 

[Twinpinion]

Hey Kenny,

I'm not doubting you, but are you sure about the first two pictures that I posted above? What do you see that isn't right?

I know my third picture is a five-ton. (it is on my 5-ton right now )

I think he musta meant my pics.

 

[sermis]

Find someone with a truck parts business or mechanic that knows PTO’s. (old school) The PTO’s should all mount on the same 6 bolt pattern. The internal gear can be changed out if needed making it able to be mounted onto another transmission or T-case. If you know what gear fits the trans gear the rest is easy. Most can have the output shaft swapped from front to rear as long as the housing did not have relief cuts for the gear. If they are cheep enough it is worth it. There are numerous gear configurations. The first pic looks like a forward / reverse off of a 60-70’s Chevy. I used on a M725 with a swapped gear until I found a NOS.

 

[Hookin1]

If those pto's are for an m35 they are for the A3,which have hydraulic winches.those are one direction pto's and there also either on or off.now if you mount it on the transfer case you could make them work in both directions but would'nt do any good to drive the front winch,maybae a rear winch setup

 

[gringeltaube]

Not very convenient, Lance. Freight would kill you. Those PTOs are in Uruguay now! I bought them last year, very cheap, from Victory Ground Support & Equipment Co., down town LA, CA. They might have some left. Try (323) 581-7272, Jamey Ekerling.

Gerhard

 

[gringeltaube]

Sorry, this was for Twinpinion, not Lance!

 

[Recovry4x4]

Jeff, I was referring to Mr Pinions pics, not yours. I was just kicking the transfer case PTO thing around and although it would run backwards if the tranny was in reverse, it wouldn't oil correctly. In order for the transfer case PTO to work, it needs oil and since its on the top, there is none. The engineers got around this by installing a rotary pump on the PTO which drafts oil from the supm via a fitting where the common drain plug usually is. Running the transfer case backwards will run the rotary pump backwards and no oil would be drafted. Bummer! Guess it works a little bit though, it ran the Pipeline rear winch.
I sold a really nice reman PTO to Ida34 a while back. Attached is the pic of it after Fedex got done with it. They did pay for it! One day I'll try to fix it!