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    What is occasional personal use in WI?

    DoubleA, I was one of the two guys who worked to get that law passed. DOT actually wrote it, but we seized the wording and got it enacted. Porkysplace is correct that it may end up being a judge who decides what the law means. The pertinent statute is [s.341.269, Wis. Stats.], and this is...
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    Good Change Coming In Wisconsin

    Chewy, Dogtags is correct about needing a CDL for a 5-ton, but... A CDL license is not required for HMV registration, unless the particular vehicle requires a CDL (over 26000 gvw). So a deuce & 1/2 can be registered as HMV and operated without a CDL provided you don't go over 26000 #...
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    HMMWV's for sale, no longer maybe, it happened

    I'm not a lawyer either, but I've been through some legal stuff, and that's how I read it. You buy the truck. The truck is found somewhere it ought not to be. Somebody comes looking for you to explain how that happened. This is a quote from the form you have to sign: Buyer acknowledges...
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    HMMWV's for sale, no longer maybe, it happened

    The devil is probably in the details. We had to hunt for them. If you carefully examine the conditions of the sale, you have to pay extra for a Bill of Sale, plus you have to sign a federal document (EUC DLA Form-1822) stating that you will not operate the Humvee on-road and assume all...
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    New Michigan License Plate Law for MV's Passes

    Simple. Print out a copy of the law and carry it in the glove compartment. Shouldn't have to, but. Go to court. If the law's on your side, the judge should side with you. Isn't the VIN specific to a military contract? IIRC, the fourth digit of a Chevy military vehicle VIN is a "4" (or...
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    Legal Issues that could effect all MV Owners

    MLBHUNTRESS, Okay, I'll toss out an idea here. I don't know GA law, but in Wisconsin, state statute allows a person to bond for title. This means that if you own a vehicle w/o a title, there is a procedure to go through (involving the DMV) whereby the owner purchases a bond (essentially an...
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    Good Change Coming In Wisconsin

    Robert, You had the HMV part right! As far as I know: The title still indicates who owns the vehicle. The title brands do not change this (except for liens, etc. perhaps). Some title brands are required under Wis. state law. I'm not sure if any are required under Fed. law. Some were...
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    2014 Iola WI Military show.

    Yup. Super show. Got home yesterday and needed a lot of sleep. Great to see everybody.
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    Good Change Coming In Wisconsin

    Mhatfield, Dogtags is correct, that HMV registration will probably suit your needs just fine. Occasional personal use means you can use it any day of the year, but not as a daily driver. Yes, it's a bit ambiguous, as most laws are. Around here, that means you can use it for whatever purpose...
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    Article: The End Of SURPLUS VEHICLE SALES by David Doyle

    I'm just passing along info I received from MVPA about G/L sales. It's more of a status update than a final decision. It included a link to the article written by David Doyle: http://www.mvpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/End_of_Surplus_Vehicle_Sales_email.pdf Please do not make this thread...
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    Amazing! Ever notice how many threads are locked in this Forum?

    As one who has posted extensively on the Politics section, I will chime in too. Seems to me that politics in this country have become very divided. Let's face it, almost half the country disagrees with you, no matter what the topic is. But we all live on the same little ball, which makes...
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    Trouble in Iowa with titles

    I don't think that proving military provenance is the issue. With regard to registration, I think it's FMVSS compliance as signified by a Certification Label or proven otherwise. At least in the Wis. cases, the issue was vehicles without Certification labels (signifying compliance with FMVSS)...
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    Trouble in Iowa with titles

    Kyle, Have ya ever tried to locate the original contract specifications from the manufacturer of a vehicle, especially one that's perhaps 10 or more years old? I have. It's unobtanium. We had a GM engineer testify in court (by phone) that such documents are no longer available, at least...
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    Trouble in Iowa with titles

    Kyle, If you are referring to the NHTSA Letter of Interpretation to John Tolliday (in post #61), I don't think that it actually passes the exemption down to subsequent owners. The Tolliday letter was written in response to an inquiry about an imported foreign former-military vehicle. By way...
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    Legal Issues that could effect all MV Owners

    Vandrel, It's a pretty confusing patchwork of rules and authority over them. Titling is a federal matter, while registration is that of the state/s. It's important that people understand how different states have different laws to deal with. You're right, participation in a national...
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    Legal Issues that could effect all MV Owners

    I see you're new here. You're correct about box 1 on an HS-7 form, but you're mistaken if you think that NHTSA will straighten out a registration issue with a state. According to a letter I got from Coleman Sachs, NHTSA chief of import and certification (or some such title), "registration is...
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    Good Change Coming In Wisconsin

    No, there is a $30 one-time registration fee, and then there is NO annual fee required for as long as YOU own the truck. It is a lifetime registration, just like Hobbyist, Collector, and Antique plates are in Wisconsin. We really have pretty good choices now.
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    Good Change Coming In Wisconsin

    To EVERYONE, You absolutely DO NOT have to register it as a 16,000# truck in addition to registering it as HMV. HMV is a registration option instead of Collector, Hobbyist, Annual Truck, etc.. It only costs $30, but the ppwk must go to Madison if you are going to register as HMV. If you plan...
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    Legal Issues that could effect all MV Owners

    Swiss, Most bills die before passage. You should ask your legislator's office what the percentage of proposed bills that pass actually is in GA. Here's a national map: https://www.billtrack50.com/blog/election/comparing-state-legislatures-by-counting-bills/ All the more reason to appreciate...
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    Legal Issues that could effect all MV Owners

    I just searched the AZ DOT site, and I found nothing about this in writing. I also went to the Ariz. Mil. Veh. Collectors Club (AMVCC) http://www.armytrucks.org and I found nothing about this subject. But if it's true, then a separate thread needs to be started, IMHO. Now, back to Georgia news...
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